multichannel amps-all channels driven

indus

Distinguished Member
Hi
Mch amps all give a power rating with all channels driven. If you don't use all the channels will they then increase the power to those that are being used? Or is it 'capped'?

If it is capped at the all channels driven rating is there any other sonic advantage to not using all the channels?

Thanks
 

stevos

Distinguished Member
Most multichannel amps I have seen give power driving 2 and all channels and typically if you are only driving 2 it will be higher output. The problem is finding the figures, which are sometimes hidden somewhere ont he website / manual /technical sheet.

I was just trying to find the figures for my P777 and now can't find them, i know i saw them somewhere...
 

mattkhan

Distinguished Member
They're often able to deliver a bit more power with fewer channels loaded, probably because most amps have a shared power supply and hence fewer channels loaded puts less stress on that power supply. If you had a multichannel amp that was basically a load of monoblocks then that is unlikely to apply unless you hit long term power supply limitations in pulling power out of the wall. Ultimately amps can be current limited and/or voltage limited and that will depend on the load being put on the amp. A one line spec rating isn't going to tell you much about this, serious amplifier tests are v rare though.

Power demands are actually really low most of the time btw so the performance in the first few watts is arguably much more important than the full power rating. For example I was testing a speaker I'm building the other day, it has pretty normal sensitivity (high 80s) and I had calibrated the amp to be outputting 2.83V (1W at 8 ohm), I then listened to some music for a while and it was a fair bit louder then I would normally play music at & probably about the sort of level I watch films at. Of course there are transient peaks that will burst above this but it's still a pretty low number, even a 20dB peak is only 100W on that basis.

As to sonic advantages, amps are usually rated for things like crosstalk so I suppose that might be a factor. You'd surely be better off spending more on an amp with fewer channels though.
 

sounddog

Prominent Member
Most multichannel amps I have seen give power driving 2 and all channels and typically if you are only driving 2 it will be higher output. The problem is finding the figures, which are sometimes hidden somewhere ont he website / manual /technical sheet.

I was just trying to find the figures for my P777 and now can't find them, i know i saw them somewhere...
Agree with stevo here .. just going to add that (in the example of the P777) the amplifier contains 2 separate transformers, with separate windings for each channel's power supply so each channel is pretty much independent from each other though in extreme cases you will run up against limits of the transformer. Other amplifiers (especially those which are part of a Integrated amplifier) may use a single shared power supply for all channels and so are more limited.
 

stevos

Distinguished Member
Yeah i remember the figures being pretty close to each other, maybe 10w between them.

But for some of the 'cheaper' (relative term when your talking power amps your already talking pricey) that share a common power supply like some of the Rotels there are a signficiant difference.
 

indus

Distinguished Member
Thanks. I have a primare a30.7 at present but need another amp to go to 7.1.4. My plan was to buy a beefier 5 channel amp to drive LCR and SL/SR and then move the primare to drive rear backs and 4 atmos speakers. This is because I wonder whether the xtzs could sound even better with a more powerful amp for the front.

Another primare a30.7 has come in the classifieds and so that got me wondering. I thought I could use one for most of the effects speakers and so that would leave one to drive LCR and just one effects channel.

I was wondering if by using just 4 channels on the one driving LCR I might in effect be providing them with more power, less cross talk etc
 

sounddog

Prominent Member
If I had 14 channels (from 2 matching 7 channel power amps) to play with ... I would try bi-amping the front 3 using a channel off each amplifier for each speaker. Then the surrounds shared so that the surrounds from one amp, the rears from the other, and the two sets of ceiling speakers also similar.

The idea being that you are spreading the load, the most used speakers are split and then balance the rest (thinking that sorroun and rears are likely used more than the ceiling).

On the other hand (depending on the costs) I might just get cheaper amplification for the ceilings... for example I've no idea how much the A30.7 is going for ... but you could consider something like Rotel RMB1506 for around £550.
 

stevos

Distinguished Member
Bi-amping is a decent idea and can be tested easily. Just unplug your rear speaker on your currenty amp and try it.
 

indus

Distinguished Member
Not that easy I'm afraid. The rear speakers can't be bi amped and the cables for the front speakers are under the floor.

On another thread somebody has posted some results from a Polish magazine and it does indeed show that the power increases as the channels driven decrease ie

At 8 Ohms

two channels =190w
three= 175w
four=171w
five=169w
 

stevos

Distinguished Member
No, what i was thinking was just unplugging the rear speakers from the power amp and running a new temp cable (doesn't have to be an expensive cable, £5 would get you good enough one for testing) from the channels that were driving the rears into the fronts, obviously removing the bi-amp terminals. Then you need a RCA splitter to achieve the bi-amp. Not ideal but gives you an idea if your main speakers would benefit from the extra power of bi-amping.
 

sounddog

Prominent Member
Bi-amping is a decent idea and can be tested easily. Just unplug your rear speaker on your currenty amp and try it.
I wasn't necessarily promoting bi-amping but if you have "spare" channels that's how I would utilise them...

At 8 Ohms

two channels =190w
three= 175w
four=171w
five=169w
One thing to remember is that you are unlikely driving all seven speakers equally - the front 3 are likely requiring more power than the rear 4 so things balance out.

Even 169 to 190w is rearly not much to worry about and is miles away from the comments about 1 vs all channels driven with receivers.

To quote from a random review "Sonyclaims that it delivers 165 watts per channel, but that's with one channel driven at one kHz into a six-ohm load. Two channels driven, measured from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, it's more like 100 watts per channel, but that's also with a six-ohm load." - now that's something to worry about the difference between 1 and multiple channels.
 
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stevos

Distinguished Member
I wasn't necessarily promoting bi-amping but if you have "spare" channels that's how I would utilise them...

My thinking was more to test the power need of the speakers, rather than as a perm solution. When i bi-amped my MA speakers prior to my Arcam power amp, the difference was huge and so i realised they were power hungry. This is what led me to go down the dedicated power amp route.
 

indus

Distinguished Member
Oh well, the a30.7 in the classifieds has sold already!
 

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