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MS309 or XLS200????

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by MS-Yam, Aug 29, 2004.

  1. MS-Yam

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    Hi All!!

    Having read the fascinating thread including the 309 and the XLS200, I am still a bit unsure on which sub to go for. Here's my situation:-

    System: Avant 906 fronts, matching 905c centre, MS308 sub. I will soon be upgrading to the 903 centres. Yamaha DSP-AX640SE.

    My room is around the same as Dfour's room (around 3.5 x 4m). My 308 sub is ok but what I need is more power, good punchy low end slam, and good speed. It has to be perfect for movies and music (I listen mainly to dance, house, pop, r&B etc..). All my speakers are in the maple finish. Since I read the What Hifi review on the 309 recently, naturally I have been thinking this is the one for me...but!...

    Many of you guys seem to like the BK XLS200. I have never rated this maufacturer as, to be honest, other than on here I have not heard of them. Maybe they don't feel they need to have their equipment reviewed in magazines, theyre that good anyway?.. I don't know?

    Obviously, should this sub be a stronger performer than the 309, I will sacrifice the system consistency and forget the 309. But it would also be nice to keep it all tidy and matched. Having said that, the BK now comes in four different finishes, one of which I think is fairly close to the honey maple.

    Let me know your thoughts guys, any help greatly appreciated!
     
  2. ufitsy

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    The Ruark Log Rythm is also worth a look. See my previous post(Ruark Malarkey)
     
  3. Dfour

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    If you can still get one at the nice price :smashin:

    Both the 309 and the xls200 are superb subs. The xls is smaller and does move more air than the 309. The 309 has been engineered to be quite civilised and doesnt go quite as deep as the xls200 but not by much. I take it you have read the budget sub test or yo wouldnt have known my room size :D

    If I had to choose I still think I would go for the 309 as its still a superb performer in my room and it just looks so good :smashin: and doesnt lose control what ever fast paced music (metallica, slayer, machine head, fear factory) I throw at it :cool:

    Basically whic ever you choose you will not be dissapointed ;)
     
  4. MS-Yam

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    Thanks for that Dfour.

    I agree with the looks of the 309, I think it's the answer.

    Just one other thing, how did u guys come across the BK manufacturer???

    cheers
     
  5. Dfour

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    You would have to ask Eviljohn2 about that as he was the supplier of the xls200. There has also been a few threads on this forum about them as well.
     
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    BK have been manufacturing amplifier modules and selling professional audio gear for donkeys years. I bought one of their mono amps at least 10 years ago, usually they advertised in the back of specialised electronics magazines. IIRC the subs came about as they were connected with the REL company a few years back.
     
  7. MS-Yam

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    By the looks of it, there are no Ruark subs left. Do you think there is a great difference between the two subs I mentioned and the Ryark?? Also, how long has the Ruark been out? It seems to be around £800 everywhere else?!?!?!
     
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    You should never dismiss a manufacturer just because you have never heard of them. Their equipment has been reviewed by most magazines and has received five star ratings from most of them. BK Electronics are OEM subwoofer manufacturers so the units they manufacture are sold with other, more well known labels stuck on them. You would be surprised at how many of our great British subwoofer manufacturing names do not actually make anything themselves but subcontract it out to BK - even some fairly well known high end names
     
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    MS-Yam,
    I don't know if you have decided yet, but I was in EXACTLY in the same position as you.

    I've currently got the MS309 and BK XLS200 at home. I've decided to keep the BK as it goes lower than the Mordaunt. (309 should be going back today.)

    The Mordaunt is great with movies, plenty of air shifted. (Playing the scene from "Finding Nemo" where the annoying kid taps on the fish tank; never heard anything like it. My girlfriend and I sat on the shaking sofa looking at each other. She was smiling, but I could see fear in her eyes!!!!! A real room shaker!!)

    I didn't really like the 309 with music. I think the BK does a much better job and if you like dance music then (in my opinion) you're better off with the BK.

    Overall, I think the BK does both (music and movies) very well. I was going to buy (brand new) a REL Q150 until the nice people of this forum suggested BK. (And yes, my first response was, "WHO?!?!?")
    The BK does the same (maybe more, I haven't had a chance to play fully yet) than the Q150, for almost half the price.

    The only draw back with the xls200 is the range of finishes. I also have maple furniture in my lounge and the closest match BK have would look too out of place in the room, so I opted for black. (After all, black goes with everything!!)

    The 309 looks great in maple and matches everything in my lounge, but at the end of the day, quality bass is my goal.

    In my opinion that came from the xls200, and hence my money goes to BK.

    There's nothing at all wrong with the MS, it's just that the BK gives more of what I want from a sub. I guess we all have our individial preferences.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Thanks very much mr. shr! The XLS200 now comes in a light oak finish. I am wondering whether this will go with my maple finish speakers. I know what you mean though, if it is slightly different in colour it could look well out of place! I also listen to dance music, it's mainly house stuff though, i'm not really into fast hard house... still, it will be nice to have a sub thats well capable of keeping up to speed.

    I just had my heart set on a 309, then I read some of the posts here and am really beginning to sway towards a BK - even though all my speakers are the maple Avant range! Crazy huh?!

    Which speakers do you use yours with??
     
  11. MS-Yam

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    Another thing mr. shr, how did u manage to get hold of both subs to try them out? Ideally I wish there was a hifi retailer I could go (which sells both) to to try them out first.
     
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    I've got some Wharfedale Evo 20's as my front pair. They are the entry level floorstanders in the Evo range. To be fair, they do a reasonable job of going low in two channel mode, but I wanted a sub to just help out at the bottom end of things. The MS309 didn't do anything (for my ears, anyway) in music, but was awesome with movies.

    The BK is brilliant with both (in my opinion, anyway).

    I did see the light oak finish in the BK website, and was thinking of ordering that. Then I thought I better check with my girlfriend, just to make sure!!! She gave me a big fat "NOOOO!!!!!!"
    She reckons it would look odd as the rest of the lounge is in a different wood finish. She then went on to say that black is better.

    It's a small sub anyway, so shouldn't be too intrusive. The MS is a much bigger cabinet and hence is way more noticable in a room.

    Getting to try all these products at home is not easy. All the REL units I tried were on a "Home Loan" basis from Sevenoaks. That was no problem.

    The Mordaunt is from Richer Sounds. I asked if I could try it at home for a few days to see what I think of it. I had to pay the full price but should hopefully (this afternoon) be getting a full refund on it as it's not the sub for me.

    With the BK, I phone and explained that I want to try the xls200 before committing. Similar story to Richer Sounds; I had to buy the unit and return it if not happy.

    I must point out that neither company are happy to do this. I had to do a lot of talking in order to get them to agree and I can fully understand why.

    No company/retailer/manufacturer want to supply a product to customer/consumer and then get it back a few days later. After all, what would they do with it once it's returned? It's difficult for them to resell the unit as new, as it's been with the consumer once already.

    Both Richer Sounds and BK said that they will accept the product if returned as new (BK would charge a "pick up" fee). To be fair, I had no intention of "taking advantage" of these companies as I'm a serious buyer but some outlets can mis-interpret a customer's authenticity.

    Now, I'm supposed to be taking the MS back this afternoon. The problem is, it's no longer in "as new" condition. The fuse has blown!!!! (This is a know fault with the earlier versions of the MS309). Hopefully, they'll still accept it.

    That said, I think the consumer does have a statatory right to return a product if not suitable to their needs, but I'm not certain about that.
     
  13. MS-Yam

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    Another one with a blown fuse?!?! There are many people who have had this problem with the 309. It was meant to be just on the earlier models! I think this could be fate... BK all the way I think now.
     
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    I must admit, the blown fuse pretty much cemented my decision towards keeping the BK.
     
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    I've got Light Oak, Beech and Ash furniture mixing it up in my room and it all goes together nicely. IMO, wood cos it's natural is quite forgiving in that way.
    I think the real veneer examples will probably have a slightly higher resale than the black, also pale finishes are last years wood, design is moving towards darker shades now.
     
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    My girlfriend designed my lounge. She tells me what I need to buy and then basically tells me to sign on the dotted line, when the till receipts come up; even though it's my house and my morgage (how do they do that!!!???)

    I agree that wood finishes can integrate reasonable well but I wouldn't have a clue where to begin. Therefore, I reckon black is the new maple, oak, ash, beech..................

    LOL
     
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    I'm thinking of getting the black.... as I have no idea what flooring I will go for...
    and my tables (coffee & dining) are / will be glass, and the leather sofa will also be black.

    So I think black would be a safe bet.
     
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    Not with the black 309 as you cant get one for love nor money :D
     
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    What can I say 'Black is Back'.

    MS do seem to have made a habit recently of running out of colours don't they.
     

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