MP's Payrise

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  1. alan280170

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    Pretty neutral on this myself but the left will have a field day with it.
     
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    I would like to see it much higher, however MPs would have to be just that. Lobbying would need much tighter controls also. 10% is nothing to what's on offer ;) to MPs.
     
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    Should have had a massive pay rise years back and taken the flak in one hit. Otherwise its just another stick to beat them with if every year the independent body tries to get to parity with equivalent responsibility jobs.
     
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    But but but, Georgy Porgy said public sector was capped at 1% ..... :rofl:
     
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    However they dont decide that pay rise as that was taken out of their hands. Cant have it both ways
     
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    You seriously believe an agency appointed by MPs for setting MPs wages is unbiased?
     
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    Yes, though not sure how you could have an agency not appointed by Parliament
     
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    Yes they are unbiased or yes you agree they might be biased ? :)
     
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    Yes, i agree that they cant possibly not be unbiased
     
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    Oh dear i've entered an episode of Yes minister
     
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    £74k is a good salary but it's not great. These are the people who run the country, I think if they do it well (like they have) then they should receive a significant package. We want the best in charge, if they could all get paid much more at law firms, banks and so on it would be at the taxpayers detriment
     
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    It's OK I managed to cancel out the negatives to end up with the expected answer :thumbsup:
     
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    That was my point, also maybe it should be a salary that encourages people to stand, make it £500,000 and we would have more of a diverse set of people standing
     
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    Glad you have as now forgotten what I meant!!
     
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    I think we agree :thumbsup:
     
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    Possibly maybe
     
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    Have a look at how many local council chiefs award themselves more than the PM gets yet the outcry is over MPs.
     
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    That is open to interpretation for sure, also why should they get nice expense account that looks very good, 2nd home allowance etc and even subsidized beer and food, that is what sticks in my craw.
     
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    Why not have an "independent" review body that is responsible for all public sector pay rises. A body that cannot be disbanded.

    That way they can review all pay equally and set everyone's pay without fear of retribution.
     
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    I have read that whilst they have been given a 10% raise it is cost neutral as pensions and some allowances have been cut to compensate so in effect they are no better off.

    If this is true some MP's offering to give the increase to charity would actually be getting a pay cut, so not sure what to believe as that would be a daft thing to do.
     
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    https://www.avforums.com/threads/mps-to-receive-10-pay-rise.1969698/#post-22382368

    Things are not what they always appear to be ;)

    In fact I would say this looks more like a stitch up by MPs, so the MPs are made out to be the good guys
     
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    MPs given go ahead for 10% pay rise to £74,000 - BBC News

    He said the pay rise would not cost any money because it was being combined with cuts to expenses, pension and severance payments for MPs.

    it's an independent body, IPSA, that's doing it. Their assessment is that MPs are underpaid but that they had far too many generous allowances.

    So what they've decided to do is have a series of reforms that don't cost the taxpayer a penny more. So for example, MPs will have a restructured pension scheme and lose some of their expenses, such as for evening meals.
     
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    Difficult to accept given other public sector workers have in the last few yetis deceived zero increases and now can expect the grand total of a 1%, whoopeee doo .Having sia dI have never been against the idea of MPs being reasonably well paid, just not excessively as being an MP is meant to be a public service
     
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    What's the yearly MP wage increase?
    Hasn't it been 0% for the majority of years and then boom a jump every now and then?
     
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    Pay them more, after all we do need the very best governing the country and in opposition. In all honesty it should be around the £100k mark. But we need to police them effectively so that they odd one or two cannot get away with the excesses that was commonplace in the past.

    As for the independent body it does stick in my craw a little that every independent review of the fire service pay and conditions in the 1970s and 1980s was completely ignored and yet another one set up by government hoping it would finally go their way.
     
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    They can if they want to change the system.

    They are operating within the rules Parliament set. You could perhaps argue MP's set it up in a such a way that they are forced to take a pay rise that they probably want but then moan about the pay body giving them a pay rise to the public.

    There are a lot of advantages to being an MP and the doors it opens up during a tenure as an MP and after it are far wider than what you find in most other high paying jobs. We don't have the best in charge, products of a system that means Politicians can't really connect with our every day concerns and are in their own class. I'd be willing to see MP's be paid more if they actually did the job properly i.e. vote on concious or as constituents wish, not because the Party Whips told them to. It's how you end up with bad parliamentary bills that inevitably end up in front of Judges to make a call and then said Judges telling/asking MP's to clarify the law.

    The difference with the PM, is that once you are out of Office you can earn a lot of cash on the speaking circuit and through book deals (Blair has amassed a huge amount of wealth). Plus you have to keep in mind that David Cameron is pretty well off like most of his cabinet. They seem to treat politics like a debating society at times.
     
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    So you are fine with council leaders earning so much?
     
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    No but I think a good way of dealing those excessive pay packages is to let local people decide if it's an acceptable amount to pay. But the turkeys won't vote for that one.
     
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    My local council's chief executive doesn't want to take a drop in salary to become an MP. He's on an annual salary of £141,730. But, to be fair on the local authority, it has shed five executive positions paying those officers a redundancy lump sum of £126,500 each. 140 lower paid posts have also been lost but these poor souls just got £4,614 each on average. The average rise in my council tax has been 4% per year since 2010.

    Don't get me started on how much each councillor gets either. Serve the community my arse.
     

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