Mother gets life for heroin death

[captainarchive]

"A mother convicted of murdering her disabled son by injecting him with heroin at a Hertfordshire care home has been jailed for life".


I think it's one thing to fly your relatives off to Switzerland but to kill a disabled relative yourself is another thing entirely.


BBC News - Mother gets life for heroin death

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Don't you have to choose for yourself to go to Switzerland? This is just a heartbreaking story with no other possible outcome for this poor lady. I hope she gets released upon appeal or pardoned somehow because she's been through enough.

 

[Cobb]

Poor lad suffered brain damage falling out of an ambulance!

 

[Paul_HDLover]

read the story earlier.....Horrible situation and the poor women has obviously been in a horrendous position watching her son deteriorate. Justice has not been done here.

 

[Mark31385]

Very sad story, but as a parent would you not want what is best for your child? I'm sure this could lead to how do you know what a child wants. But from a humane point of view she wouldn't have wanted her child to have been brought up in times where it is easy to point out problems and ridicule people for them? Maybe this could be a problem with humanity for ridiculing people who are different to themselves?

 

[Jenn]

Although she'll probably appeal, I doubt that any sentence she's given will make her regret for one second what she did.
Killing her child out of love and living with her own decision will have ended her life there anyway but she'll feel peace in the knowledge that her baby (not matter how old he was) was no longer suffering.
Many parents would say they'd give their own life to stop their child suffering, well that's what she did in a way.

 

[PJTX100]

This mother and her family have been through hell.

So what does the British justice system do?

Give her a life sentence. Send her to prison for at least 9 years.

Yet we protect the identity, and treat with "kid gloves", the parents of feral scum who torture to the edge of death innocent children.

It's a sick society we live in.

 

[Mark31385]

Although she'll probably appeal, I doubt that any sentence she's given will make her regret for one second what she did.
Killing her child out of love and living with her own decision will have ended her life there anyway but she'll feel peace in the knowledge that her baby (not matter how old he was) was no longer suffering.
Many parents would say they'd give their own life to stop their child suffering, well that's what she did in a way.

Completely agree with what you have mentioned Jenn, I didn't know how to word it correctly. But each day for the poor lady will be like hell. You have summed it up.

 

[Steven]

So what does the British justice system do?

That is a jury of twelve men and women who sat through testimonies, witness statements, evidence, expert evidence and two arguments

This woman's recourse is permission for leave to the Court of Appeal, not opinions formed based on news reports. I'm not going to pretend I even know about the matter

 

[PJTX100]

That is a jury of twelve men and women who sat through testimonies, witness statements, evidence, expert evidence and two arguments

This woman's recourse is permission for leave to the Court of Appeal, not opinions formed based on news reports. I'm not going to pretend I even know about the matter

In a justice system with no concept of "mercy killing", 2 jurors decided that it was a mercy killing.

 

[lucasisking]

I think it's one thing to fly your relatives off to Switzerland but to kill a disabled relative yourself is another thing entirely.

You cannot even begin to imagine the torment and grief asociated with such a situation in a way that justifies your simplistic and throwaway assessment. I'm appalled at how blase you are about it.

And you haven't even explained why you think it is so different to do it legally in Switzerland or at home. The end result is the same- human suffering is brought to an end. I dont imagine the woman was particularly concerned about the consequences to herself.

 

[captainarchive]

You cannot even begin to imagine the torment and grief asociated with such a situation in a way that justifies your simplistic and throwaway assessment. I'm appalled at how blase you are about it.

And yet you presume to know that I haven't been through a similar situation.

And you haven't even explained why you think it is so different to do it legally in Switzerland or at home. The end result is the same- human suffering is brought to an end. I dont imagine the woman was particularly concerned about the consequences to herself.

There are more steps to go through to euthenise a relative overseas acting as checks and balances. It's pretty much summary execution if a single person decides to take matters into their owns hands.

 

[DJT75]

This mother and her family have been through hell.

So what does the British justice system do?

Give her a life sentence. Send her to prison for at least 9 years.

Yet we protect the identity, and treat with "kid gloves", the parents of feral scum who torture to the edge of death innocent children.

It's a sick society we live in.

I'm with you here completely.

What she did was wrong/"illegall" but you can understand the reasons completely. Yet there's people out there without an ounce of anything..well....sickens me

 

[rbj]

I hate this country sometimes, If you ask 100 people in the street if she done the right thing they would say yes, So why is she going to Prison?? ***

 

[Perceval]

I hate this country sometimes, If you ask 100 people in the street if she done the right thing they would say yes, So why is she going to Prison?? ***

If you took time to read more about this case, you'd realise that the son actually stood a good chance of partial recovery.

I understand the mother's pain, and I understand the anger about a life disrupted/destroyed due to the inept actions of ambulance staff.

...........but I do not accept the fact that she had the right to kill her son in this way.

It seems to me (and the jury) that this was far more 'ABOUT HER' and her skewed emotions, than it was about her son.

It appears as though she had very deep rooted perfectionist and narcissistic traits - i.e. her son was damaged, imperfect, which she she could not cope with.

Any normal mother would have fought and waited for a recovery.

Don't forget she had tried to murder him earlier.

Personally I welcome her sentence.

I and obviously the jury did not see this as a mercy killing.

 

[accyuklad]

how the **** he fall out of ambulance

 

[avolee]

i am really sorry but i have to dissagree with the sentinments of this thread. in some ways it offends me to be honest. my wife suffered a massive stroke at the age of 29. she was left bed ridden and unable to speak. we also found out later it had left her half blind and epileptic. would i have been justified if i had decided that she wouldn`t have wanted to live like that and ended her life, no. it took months to see a recovery in my wife and even now we are a long way from normall, but she is making progress all the time. can i ask does anyone know what damage the first attempt at taking his life did to harm his recovery?

 

[GETanner]

I understand the mother's pain, and I understand the anger about a life disrupted/destroyed due to the inept actions of ambulance staff.

That's a very harsh statement to make.

The only reference to what actually happened in the back is from the mother herself who said

The defendant said she believed her son was kept alive because he fell from the ambulance "while fighting with a police officer".

Now, I've had people kick off in the back of my ambulance. Including times when they have been arrested and needed an all clear from A&E.

I've had people open the back door and jump out, thankfully while stopped.

Ambulances in the most part can not be locked from the inside and the back door is easy to open. I've had a police officer nearly being thrown out from the back of the truck as a door opened during a fight. There's not a lot of room in the back during a fight and nor is it common practice to restrain a patient other than hand cuffs and a couple of coppers sitting either side.

Without the facts as to how the accident happened, don't blame ambulance crews.

G

 

[eric pisch]

If i was the son I would want her to do exactly what she did.

I want to die with dignity to retain who i am as a person, i dont want to kept alive as a vegetable or spend 10 years in a nursing home suffering the indignitys that go on there.

We don't let animals suffer yet we enforce it on people for some ridiculous archaic law.

 

[la gran siete]

for me this is a classic case of where murder isnt always just murder.This case has indeed got mitigating circumstances.I hope the sentence is reduced on appeal

 

[lucasisking]

And yet you presume to know that I haven't been through a similar situation.


There are more steps to go through to euthenise a relative overseas acting as checks and balances. It's pretty much summary execution if a single person decides to take matters into their owns hands.

But in a case where a loved one is in pain, notions of legality and 'due process' probably go out of the window. This is far too complex-both morally and legally- to summarise and make a judgement so easily. Thats really the point I was making.

Anwarsadat has a point too that if there was a chance for recovery, then the moral case for euthanasia is severely weakened.

At the same time- is is right to give a life sentence to a mother who acted out of love and has just lost her child? Its a tough one.

 

[Jenn]

It appears as though she had very deep rooted perfectionist and narcissistic traits - i.e. her son was damaged, imperfect, which she she could not cope with.

Any normal mother would have fought and waited for a recovery.

So are you saying that the woman who was going against her ex-husband a few weeks back in court to allow doctors to basically let their baby die was not a normal mother?
The dad argued the child had "some" quality of life while she said let her baby die.
Have you heard of parents not wanting their child to suffer needlessly?

 

[captainarchive]

But in a case where a loved one is in pain, notions of legality and 'due process' probably go out of the window.

But in this case there's no mention of anyone suffering pain. The son had undergone brain surgery and the consultant said there was nothing to indicate he wouldn't recover.

As to 'due process' this was the mothers second attempt at killing her son, she was on bail following the first attack, had denied she'd injected her son with herione when questioned by police about the first attack. She also lied to get access to her son the second time and threatened medical staff before injecting her son with a lethal dose of heroine.

 

[BB3Lions]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ent-trapped-23-year-coma-conscious-along.html


Reminds me of the above story, scientifically they thought he was a vegetable and in a coma for 20+ years and he was not, he was awake but unable to communicate.

Doctors get things wrong, maybe this poor lad had a chance, maybe he did not. His mother did what she felt was the best decision for her son, rightly or wrongly we will never know if he would of survived or not.

 

[eric pisch]

Rom Houben: Patient trapped in a 23-year 'coma' was conscious all along | Mail Online


Reminds me of the above story, scientifically they thought he was a vegetable and in a coma for 20+ years and he was not, he was awake but unable to communicate.

Doctors get things wrong, maybe this poor lad had a chance, maybe he did not. His mother did what she felt was the best decision for her son, rightly or wrongly we will never know if he would of survived or not.

cant speak for anyone else but for me

the prospect of living 23 years like that - KILL ME at the start

the prospect of spending the rest of my life like that - KILL ME

death is not the worst thing in life