Most Disturbing Videos Ever.

Kellogs

Standard Member
I saw a video on today of a cop being killed, well you didn't actually see him get killed but you saw the guy who killed him shooting at him and you could hear the cop screaming. The screams were what made it so disturbing and I think he knew he was going to die. I think I was more disturbed by this video than I was by the Nick Berg beheading video. It makes you wonder how someone can be so inhumane.
 

Jenn

Novice Member
People need to see things to realise the importance of them. I mean you hear a guy got killed in your town and you say "Poor guy... right what should I watch on TV". If you saw a video of it I bet you you'd care more and maybe be more careful when you go out, or want to get involved in punishing crime etc.

But on the other hand if we saw the true horror of what our leaders or criminals or terrorists do, we'd probably all want to commit suicide to escape from this life.
Only humans are able to commit such horrible things.
 

Steve N

Distinguished Member
Jenn said:
People need to see things to realise the importance of them.
This, and "research" is the standard excuse used by paedophiles.
And, before anyone asks, I am not suggesting anyone who views offensive material necessarily condones it.
But the general concensus is that publicity through viewing etc does help perpetuate these practices and can generate an unhealthy interest among people that way inclined which then adds to the demand for this kind of material.
 

Nick_UK

Banned
AML said:
......... I didnt download these videos out of some morbid fascination, I did it because I owe it to myself to know the truth. As do all of you.

Oh don't talk such rot. I'm quite aware of the atrocities on both sides - I don't need to see it for myself.

I find it slightly ironic for someone go on about "the atrocities of war" and then have a sub-machine gun as their avatar :rolleyes:

What do you do when not posting in here ? Play war games ?
 

Nick_UK

Banned
Jenn said:
..... Only humans are able to commit such horrible things.

No, animals do horrible things too. But they do it to survive. And we don't have all the other animals hanging round to revel in the "gore".
 

RMCF

Distinguished Member
Also agree with Harj's point.

Its no good saying how barbaric these 'animals' are while our so-called defenders are blanket bombing parts of the country and killing innocent people. Murder is murder.

As with every conflict, you will find that the number of innocent casualties far outnumber the military ones.

I found the bombings in Madrid and London shocking. But I also find the slaughter of innocents in Iraq shocking. Don't be convinced what you are repeatedly told - that its always the other side who are doing terrible things. All sides do terrible things.
 

The Dude

Distinguished Member
but only some sides gloat about what they do to innocent victims, which is why they are labelled animals.

thanks for pointing out what a blinkered fool I have been.... :rolleyes:
 

RMCF

Distinguished Member
... 'only some sides gloat about what they do to innocent victims'.

What about the photos from Abu Ghraid?

Do you consider that gloating? Humiliating?
 
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lucem

Guest
Nick_UK said:
No, animals do horrible things too. But they do it to survive. And we don't have all the other animals hanging round to revel in the "gore".

Not entirely true. Many animals kill purely to demonstrate their superiority or for territorial reasons... just like soldiers do when representing their countries. It's also worth remembering that the rationale behind going into Iraq (no matter how incorrect it may now appear) was based on survival.

Also, it's been shown that certain animals, various ape and monkey species, do enjoy revelling in the misery and deaths of their own species.

Human beings have always had morbid fascinations - watching these types of downloaded clips is merely the modern equivalent of the crowds turning up to watch hangings.

Slowing down to view car crashes is arguably more disturbing than watching such clips, as it's a reality right in front of you, yet plenty of otherwise 'normal' people are happy to do that given half a chance.
 

RMCF

Distinguished Member
lucem said:
It's also worth remembering that the rationale behind going into Iraq (no matter how incorrect it may now appear) was based on survival.

I believe that survival played a small part in the rationale behind going into Iraq.

It has been shown by many leading experts that Iraq had little or no connection with Bin Laden. In fact, the US had more links with him over the last couple of decades. Saddam Hussein was an evil man, but he posed no significant risk to the US/West - only to his own people.

The invasion of Iraq had more to do with money, big business, and OIL, than our safety. It is the 2nd largest producer in the world. It was an easy target for the allies.

There are plenty of other examples of countries who are more of a threat or who treat their people equally as bad, but they are not invaded. Either because they have no oil or else they are more capable of Iraq at defending themselves.
 

AML

Well-known Member
Nick_UK said:
Oh don't talk such rot. I'm quite aware of the atrocities on both sides - I don't need to see it for myself.

I find it slightly ironic for someone go on about "the atrocities of war" and then have a sub-machine gun as their avatar :rolleyes:

What do you do when not posting in here ? Play war games ?

Whoa there Nick, I never said anything about "atrocities of war".
I said we should all witness what happens in a war. And not have everything hidden by the media.

Wether I agree or disagree with war is my own business.
And my avatar represents a game I like to play.
You should know better than to judge somone by their avatar.
 

GalacticaActual

Distinguished Member
Nick_UK said:
I'm well aware of what people are capable of. I only have to watch the TV news every night to see what they are capable of. When I'm told that decapitations are happening, I accept it, and have no desire to witness them. There is no excuse for downloading this stuff. Watching this stuff even through morbid curiosity is not civilised behaviour. You are only taking yourself down to the same level of depravity as those who made the videos.


Fair enough nick,
I have never even seen them, I dont want to see them, I was just steping in to AMLs defense before everyone else pounced on him (which is what seems to have happened) .I was just stating that I understood what he was going on about, and how lucky we are not to be having this sort of thing going on over here

Dave. :)
 

AML

Well-known Member
I understand all the points made, but I dont really see why we shouldnt watch something that has happened.

Didnt somone once say that unless we learn from our mistakes that we are doomed to repeat them?

The same way Germans today visit museums of the 2nd world war where they see the attrocities commited by the Nazis against the Jewish people.
Shouldnt we also see the attrocities commited by terrorists?. Even if we dont want to?

Nobody WANTS to see a person being killed, but we really should know and see the truth.
That this is what it means to be a human being, and what a person is capable of.

Hiding from it wont solve anything.
 

Nick_UK

Banned
AML said:
... Didnt somone once say that unless we learn from our mistakes that we are doomed to repeat them?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
- William L. Shirer (author of the book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich").

We do not need to experience everything first-hand to remember the lessons of it. Thousands of Japanese were fried to a crisp when the atomic bombs were exploded over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I believe this happened. I don't need to see videos of people being burned in order to believe it. Even though I did not witness the event, I am still aware of the terrible destruction that the atomic bomb can bring.

Yes, it is human nature to be curious. However, to seek out video of hapless people being decapitated isn't natural curiosity - it's morbid and un-natural. Most sane people don't need to watch such puerile rubbish to be convinced.
 

AML

Well-known Member
I didnt really seek it out, I just happened to see it when I was looking for something else. The reason I choose to download it was because I wanted to see for myself that it really happened.

I dont really trust western media to be honest with everything.
 

The Dude

Distinguished Member
Nicely constructed argument, works well for child-porn too.
 

Nick_UK

Banned
AML said:
.......... I dont really trust western media to be honest with everything.

..... but you believe a bunch of murdering thugs ? :rolleyes:
 

AML

Well-known Member
The Dude said:
Nicely constructed argument, works well for child-porn too.

No one but you is talking about child pornography.

I dont condone any of these acts, and yet they exist.
Does that mean I should hide from them?
 

AML

Well-known Member
Nick_UK said:
..... but you believe a bunch of murdering thugs ? :rolleyes:

I dont trust anyone, and it could well be that these videos are fake. If so then all the better.
But tell me this, what DID happen to daniel pearl?
Is he back home safe with his familly?

Im still not sure what point you want to make Nick?

That violence is wrong? I agree.

That seeing it is wrong? I dont agree.

How else do we see what is right from what is wrong?
 

Jenn

Novice Member
Nick_UK said:
Yes, it is human nature to be curious. However, to seek out video of hapless people being decapitated isn't natural curiosity - it's morbid and un-natural. Most sane people don't need to watch such puerile rubbish to be convinced.

I think there is a difference between downloading a video because it happens to be in front of you and because of curiosity and being disgusted afterwards; and actively seeking such videos on the internet or on black market DVDs or whatever because you enjoy to look at such things.

It has been mentioned earlier here that MANY people tend to slow down to look at a car crash. You know it's going to be nasty, you know what has happened and you've seen accidents before but still you "want" to see.

I don't know myself what pushes people do look, morbid curiosity, adrenaline rush because it scares you, maybe the same as a scary movie but scarier because it's real - the fact is people look if it's easily available, doesn't mean they like what they see.
Movies and documentaries about the horrors of concentration camps during WWII are on TV day in day out and some are pretty graphic yet we watch them for our "education" and because it's part of "history". Does it make a difference watching half (or completely) dead people from WWII or from 2 months ago in Iraq ?
 

Adrenochrome

Well-known Member
SOK said:
... 'only some sides gloat about what they do to innocent victims'.

What about the photos from Abu Ghraid?

Do you consider that gloating? Humiliating?

I'd rather get urinated on than beheaded
 

AML

Well-known Member
Jenn said:
I think there is a difference between downloading a video because it happens to be in front of you and because of curiosity and being disgusted afterwards; and actively seeking such videos on the internet or on black market DVDs or whatever because you enjoy to look at such things.

It has been mentioned earlier here that MANY people tend to slow down to look at a car crash. You know it's going to be nasty, you know what has happened and you've seen accidents before but still you "want" to see.

I don't know myself what pushes people do look, morbid curiosity, adrenaline rush because it scares you, maybe the same as a scary movie but scarier because it's real - the fact is people look if it's easily available, doesn't mean they like what they see.
Movies and documentaries about the horrors of concentration camps during WWII are on TV day in day out and some are pretty graphic yet we watch them for our "education" and because it's part of "history". Does it make a difference watching half (or completely) dead people from WWII or from 2 months ago in Iraq ?


This is the kind of point I wanted to make. We see WWII footage all the time and no one says anything.
The footage coming out of Iraq is the same thing. Its an act of violence that occured during a war.

Im sure people will see it as such once its shown on the "History channel". Then all of a sudden it stops being morbid and becomes educational. :rolleyes:

As for pedophelia, who gets to decide that its "wrong"?. And in order to make that decision, wouldnt they need to see the footage?
Does that mean that the person seeing the footage is a pedophile?

Dont get me wrong, im not condoning any of these acts. But as I said before it exists, and simply knowing it does is no substitute for actually seeing it with your own eyes and deciding for yourself that its wrong according to your own moral standards.

Remember that in different countries and different cultures, people have different ways of seeing what is right from wrong.
This being a British site, most of the people here are British and therefore have ONE way of looking at things.
 

The Dude

Distinguished Member
The difference AML, is that the stuff you've seen quite probably only ever happened because people will want to download and watch it.. that was the parallel I was making.
Very very different from footage of war (old or new) people that would have been killed anyway, regardless of media coverage, the internet....

You can't compare the two in my eyes.

If people download this stuff, they play a part in it ever having been made, because it was at least partly, if not entirely, made for people to download.
 

Mep

Well-known Member
I think I may be missing your point here, i hope I am, but why does anybody need to see footage to know that paedophilia is wrong? You may need it for evidence or something but not to know its wrong!
 

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