Monitor Audio Radius, which rears?

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    Hi, just looking for a bit of advice. Have recently bought some radius speakers for my Yamaha RX-V685, Radius 270 for the fronts, Radius 225 centre and in ceiling monitor audio for the top middle. I want to finish off my 5.1.2 set up with some rears. My choices (I think) are as follow...

    Radius 45 - these seem very small and feeble, have a rear tweeter, not sure I like that

    Radius 90 - these seem decent but will stick out far from the wall and have had this countless times and would prefer something neater, but if sounds best I will get them

    Radius 225 - The most expensive option, look great, sounds great, will match the rest of the speakers I have.

    Bronze FX - these is interesting to me as they look great (to me) with the grills, same white colour as the rest of my speakers, very neat (on wall) and dipole/bipole option. These are very reasonably priced and would be on my radar, just not sure how these kind of speakers will work on my REAR wall (side not an option). Also will they integrate well with the fronts and centre, not being in the same line up, but seem to have the same tweeter & driver....

    Any advice would be welcome and greatly appreciated.

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    Here is white and walnut 225 cheaper if you happen to own that finish Radiuses:
    Monitor Audio Radius 225 Gloss White LCR Speaker (Single) - Centre Speakers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists
    Monitor Audio Radius 225 Walnut LCR Speaker (Single) - Centre Speakers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Bronze FX will reportedly work great in bipole mode on Atmos system, dipole mode is not recommended for Atmos. The effects will be less locatable with more spread vs. 225 which are direct radiating by design. This can be very much of personal preference thing aswell. Just make sure you have some space for the tweeters to shoot on sidewalls, don´t put them very close to corner. About seated ear height or slightly higher as you have ceiling speakers so need some separation.

    AVF member FX speakers with couch pushed little bit forward.

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    Radius serie has been toned slightly different to Bronze, so if you want that same "sparkle" get pair of slim R225. Mixing within same brand is more than fine otherwise.
     
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    Thanks for your response, that's pretty much how mine will be positioned. Is there anything I should know about these type of multiple side firing speakers, never had anything like that before, dipole or bipole? Would the rear sound wider/immersive etc with these type over th 225's which just will fire forward?
    Thanks again
     
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    Here’s my set up, just waiting to add the surrounds and then a sub, so straight rears or MA bronze FX...?

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    The FX speakers would shoot to that white "furniture" on the wall, also they would be installed close to them so maybe not best idea. It´s always tough with the couch against wall, surrounds are always too close then which is not good, but the bipoles would be my choice in these situations. Placing any surround speakers higher would be fine in 5.1 system, but pointless when you have ceiling speakers. I don´t know how the 225 are going to sound shooting forward as you can´t angle them, never had surrounds like that behind listener. For overall sound quality in mind i would push the couch little bit forward as the couch against wall is not something anyone would recommmend. Buy a necklace to wife or something to bribe her.. ;)

    I don´t know have you thought about the subwoofer, but when i was browsing grade-b BKE options my eyes caught the white P12 and P12-PR which would be great options for low bucks. You didn´t mention when you are going to buy sub, but i might aswell put these links up so you don´t go buy overpriced speaker manufacturer sub from local hifi shop! I would personally buy the sub first before surrounds as you can live without them easily, but without sub the movies are going to sound very anemic! Please tell me is the size ok or are you possibly looking something smaller or larger?
    BK Electronics P12-300SB-DF White Subwoofer 5060403220936 | eBay

    BK Electronics P12-300SB-PR Satin White 5060403221247 | eBay
     
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    Thanks for the comments

    I should say I’ve been doing this for about 15 years, have gone through all kinds of set ups, Marantz, Denon, Onkyo, plenty of 10 inch subs, and speakers various speaker brands, but I’ve never had bipole speakers. I gave up on the whole thing about two years ago and did the sonos setup, then Bose, and have come running back!!

    I’ve had the couch against the wall with q-Acoustics 3010’s pointing almost towards sitting position and sounded great, but like you did it’s a tough one to choose here as the 225 face straight out, the FX may get “lost”, so maybe the Radius 90’s are the way to go...

    With regard to a sub, definitely going for my first 12”! Had almost decided on the bk xls400, (have had the 200) as I listen to a lot of music and heard it’s better for that, but the other two are worth considering too!

    Decisions decisions, don’t know what to do - no offence!
     
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    Well i wouldn`t put any surround speakers shooting straight toward listener when they are so close to you. Shame you can`t place them further.

    But looking at the FX speakers the tweeter is angled and depending how deep that thing on your wall is, could they still work? This is likely those things that you just need to try. The white ash would otherwise look great on wall as it`s not purely white, great blend with the greyish walls. You could have a chat with the dealer example AVO which is forum advertiser, say you want to try the FX speakers and if you are not happy can you change them to R225/R90. I believe this way you got nothing to lose. You would install them close to that "thing" on wall as the left wall is close and also not too high. Cables can be hidden easily with these:
    Hide Wires: Amazon.co.uk

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    Bronze FX - 279£ pair

    R225 - 300£ pair special price from AVO, white

    R90 - 350£ pair satin white

    With MASM wall bracket so you can angle them slightly. The stands are expensive!
    Monitor Audio White Speaker Wall Bracket (MASM) For Bronze 1 / Vector / Mass / Radius (Single) - Speaker Wall Brackets - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists


    Tough call with the sub as the PR is not likely bad with music either. REL T-serie uses also PR design for their music line subs with similar ab-class amps like BK and they are highly praised.. What BK has said is you get also extra grunt for movies (lower extension and extra output) with the PR model while keeping the size compact.

    But there is also white XXLS400 DF and gloss white FF for sale if you want this model, you save 60-80£ plus lower shipping i think.
    BK XXLS400-DF Satin White Subwoofer Grade B 5060403220394 | eBay

    BK Electronics XXLS400-FF Gloss White 5060403220318 | eBay
     
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    The speakers were never pointed at me, more just toed & dipped 10 degree approx, gave good presence without being too directional, but could be improved, this is why I'm interested in the dipole.

    The wires as you may see are already placed, that's were the speakers will be going come hell or high-water! There will be no surface wiring. The "thing" (it's actually 4 things!) is only 2.5" deep so shouldn't interfere with the tweeters that will be pointing inwards. Couch is approx. 6" from wall, but could come out another 6-8", this will help. I think I'll go for the FX.

    The photo's I uploaded make everything look smaller, but it's actually decent sized room 20x16, there's 9 feet between front speakers, and believe it or not that's a 65" screen!

    Also there's at east 26" each side from the "thing" to where the speakers will go, they are 6 feet from ground, ideally could be a bit lower, but to be honest I'm thinking now that the only possible issue is that the rear right will be too close to that picture with the wall, but hopefully the room correction will help out!

    I'll be ordering the FX rears this weekend and post results once I get installed and tested!

    I'm in ROI so generally use richer sounds, can get the FX for €270 (£235), nice discount as I've just bough a lot from them recently.

    Sub will be after my holiday in June, definitely the XLS400 or the PR model, depends on how much I bring back!
     
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    You might want to ask how much space the FX needs to side wall as looking where the cable comes the right sided speaker would be so close to that side wall. Please ask before buying to be sure as i remember they need certain space to work best.

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