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Discussion in 'Plasma TVs Forum' started by groove, Feb 19, 2005.

  1. groove

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    Hi All,

    Been reading these forums for weeks on end now and the minute i seem to make a decision on what i want i read something else that takes me off in a totally different direction.

    So i decided to ask for your advice on which way i should go and who to relieve my money to.

    I have a budget of up to £3500 but that should really include pretty much everthing i need to get going straight away.

    Im curently running a 36" Wega , a Sony DVP-NS730P, Marantz SR4200 processor, Sky+ , 2x Xbox's, PS2 and a gamecube.
    They are currently connected as fllows -
    DVD RGB Scart Direct to TV , Digital audio connection to processor
    SKY+ RGB direct to TV, Digital audio connection to processor
    all 4 consoles connected to auto switching scart box. Scart box to RGB Scart on tv.
    Both xbox's optical audio to amp via a splitter.
    gamecube and ps2 connected to processor via phono.

    And it all works well, and is wife safe.

    But I want a plasma. I want to be able to play my xbox's and PS2 in high def ( Well GT4's phoney HDef that is ). I want good general TV display from Sky as that is what the TV is used for 75% of the time. I want good DVD playback.

    So ive been reading and reading and had almost certainly decided the Pioneer 435XDE was the solution. But hadn't really thought about how all this lot would/should connect up.

    Then started leaning towards the Panasonic TH-42PW7B . Then read some good recomendations of the Panasonic TH-42PHD7.

    So now im undecided which of those 3 will best suit my needs.

    I am a bit concerned on the futureproofness of the Panny's though regarding Sky's High Def offering. Will they be obsolete when this is launched ?
    I was also a bit concerned on the PW7's low resolution compared to the other 2.

    I cant decide on whether to pick a panel then work out hoe to connect it all , or sort out how to connect it then choose the panel that fits, a bit chicken and egg for me at the moment.
    My main concerns are getting both the xbox's connected with ms high def leads , and the ps2 connected for its high def stuff ( although i dont know how to do this ) along with the dvd and sky+ connected for optimum picture. Oh and it would be nice to connect the PC when i wanted too to ( although this isnt a deal breaker )

    Sounds like a lot to ask to me and i wish i had the answers. Thats why im turning to you guys. Can you help me work out how to conect this lot and which panel would suit me best ?

    Sorry for going on..........
     
  2. groove

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    Just thought of something else whlst browsing av-sales site , whats the difference between these panels ?

    Panasonic TH-42PW7B
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    Panasonic TH-42PWD7BS / Panasonic TH-42PWD7BK

    ??
     
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    My understanding is that the 7B requires a mediabox for connection, the other two use plug in connection cards which cost extra. The WD7BS is silver and the WD7BK is charcoal.

    I have the same problem as you. The best picture I have ever seen on a plasma was on a high def Panasonic but I have heard horror stories about the HDMI and DVI inputs not working properly in the UK, in particular that they will not work with the new Sky HD broadcasts. Hence I am holding off.
     
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    I think the TH-42PW7B comes with a tuner box and P.I.P, so its more of a 'television'....
    The "D" in TH-42PWD7BS (I think) means "display", so it's just a panel....and the "BK" version is obviously just the black version of the D7.


    Neither of these will deliver true HiDef, for that you're looking for a panel with at minimum resolution of 1024x768 (like the HD7 that you mentioned), and if you want to be compatible with Sky's forthcoming HD broadcasts, an HDMI or DVI connection that is HDCP compliant.

    As for connecting stuff up, all the Panasonics you've been looking at come with a DSub connection as standard (so that sorts out your pc connection) and whatever terminal boards you specify.

    You'll want to connect your dvd via component

    Not sure what your games consoles are outputting (you HAVE got a lot of them haven't you:eek: ?), but will probably be capable of Component, RGB and S-video. Some sort of switcher is in order (shame the Marantz doesnt have Component switching).
    Perhaps something like this?

    Not sure I've answered all youor questions but hopefully it's a start....
     
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    The differences between the W7 and the WD7's are simply that the D's have slightly more sophisticated PIP and a more advanced menu system due to being aimed at the commercial sector.
    There are NO differences in the ability to accept the media tuner and the various connection modules, or with the panel itself.
     
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    Your biggest problem is the sheer number of inputs you have!! Your Marantz can't switch all those. You should probably get RGB kits for them all (consoles) and switch them on a scart switch, as I doubt there'll be control issues for other members of the family with those. You might need an AV amp upgrade as part of the 3.5k, to get higher grade video switching, but as you have all your sources, this shouldn't be a problem. The PHD panasonic has way better processing than the wd models, and should certainly appear on your shortlist, as should the commercial Pioneer, the MXE-1 yes I know it currently does not support HDCP, but this is now a matter of time, so not such a problem. The XDE is truly 'HD ready', but IMHO is not quite so 'SD ready', compared to other ways of spending your money. It performs less well with current sources on analogue inputs. I'd talk to your local specialist dealer, and if you can get no sense or just a single option to the question, be prepared to travel a bit. Yours is more complicated than the average Joe, and I can see many ways of cracking this, each with various good and bad points. One way might even be to buy the PW now, and spend the budget on sorting the connections etc totally, planning on moving the screen to the bedroom later, with an HD upgrade for the main room in a few year's time. To do the perfect ideal connections from that lot right now will absorb a fair bit of money.
     
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    Wow a lot to think about there.

    I think you may be right MAW , getting hung up about HD now is probably not the thing to do. Its going to be a couple of years before its really readily avalable and im sure there will be better screens out by then ?

    I am certainly leaning towards the pannys now , the pioneer is nice but will blow most of my budget and as you say it seems analogue and sky are not the best on it compared to the panny's and i dont want to give the missus any excuse to say it was a waste of money !

    So you reckon its best to replace the amp as well ? any suggestions on what to look for building in some futureproofness for HD when it really arrives ?

    Regarding connecting this lot up will rhooster2's suggestion of that Component (Y-Pb-Pr) 4x1 Audio/Video Switcher not sort out all the consoles into one inpput on the screen ? As there wil only ever be 1 console on at a time.
    Surely that will just leave one connection for sky and one for the dvd ?
    3 connections in total.........which seems failry straight forward to me. But im still lookng at connecting them all to the screen as ive never used the amp to switch video, just audio. But then maybe if i do use the amp it will be easier for the rest of the family to get 'proper sound' rather than always using the tv speakers , and no matter how much i explain its always easier for them to do it that way.
    Will putting it all through the amp just mean 1 connection to the screen doing it that way ? And then just press TV/SKY/CONSOLE button on amp to select audio and video at the same time ?

    There's no chance of lipsync problems doing it this way is there? That would be a dissaster.....!

    Ive read a lot about JS converters on here , would i need some of these as well ?

    And would the PW7 display the xbox and PS2 hi def ok or not ?

    Gaming is a massive thing for me , probably more so than DVD playback so i must get this aspect right at the same time.

    Regarding specialist dealers has anybody suggestions who to try in the Kent area for demo's etc ?

    Sorry for all the questions , but as countless otheres before me, dont want to get this wrong.
     
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    PW7 is a consumer model (does not require tuner box is an option) silver finish only
    PWD7 id commercial model in silver or charcoal (Media box is an option)
    PHD7 Hi resolution Plasma 1024x768 (instead of 852x480 for the PW7 and PWD7)

    All 3 can use input card modules.....

    In kent it has to be AV-sales in tunbridge wells, Liam is also in Kent but has no demo facilities see this thread. http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183227
    have all the model you are interested in in the same room!!!!
     
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    The PW will do the biz. I don't know your amp well, does it have component switching? Modern amps have 3 inputs, so the YUV switcher, and DVD and sky via a JS RGB to YUV converter straight into the amp will fix it for you, all your consoles have YUV?
    Demo/ kit wise, AV sales, the board sponsors are in Tunbridge wells, if you're not happy with that feel free to email or PM me.
    Lip sync, you can take care of that with a decent amp (sorry to bang on about it) They offer audio delay once you get over the basic standard. You'd be looking at a mid point Denon or Onkyo probably. My fav. for value is the onkyo 602, it has all the required features.
     
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    Console wise I'm sure i've seen a cable with component one end which splits out to an xbox AND ps2 connection, this should save some space on the back of your amp! (That is if you upgrade like MAW suggests, Denon AVR 1905/2105/2805 would be perfect)

    Found the link

    http://www.sjgreatdeals.com/mad6055.html

    [​IMG]

    I've no idea about this site, just illustrating what i was saying!
     
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    The Marantz doesn't have Component switching, which is why I suggested the YUV/Toslink switcher in my previous post - just connect all the consoles up to this via YUV and optical digital (I think all the consoles listed have a digital out, the PS2 certainly does)...then that leaves 2 spare board slots for whatever.
     
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    Thanks guys , my decision is narrowing.....i think.

    Going for the PW7 would allow me a receiver upgrade to either one of the Denon's or an Onkyo ( although im struggling to find a supplier and prices on these ) , and start getting all the connectivity right for a better screen in a year or two when HD is really in full swing.

    But im concerned with the resolution difference between the PW7 and the PHD7. Will this have any affect at all on sky viewing, dvd viewing and gaming ? Especially since I want to run my consoles in HD for the games that are available..and of course the forthcoming GT4 on the PS2 ( although this hasnt been confirmed for the PAL release as yet anyway ).

    If i do go this route and upgrade the processor will I still be able to use the converter rhooster talks about or should i go direct to the processor from each one ?
     
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    for Onkyo prices PM MAw as he will have them to Hand......... the RES issue is old and well trodden, but a plasma unlike a PC moitor is more about what iut can do with a signal than the number of pixels that make up the screen.............go get a demo, you are close to a great dealer being in kent so go see for yourself......
     
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    THanks for that, ive just read a load of threads regarding Resolutions and thats now clearer.

    Ill call AV Sales today and arrange some demo's me thinks.
     
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    Well fougt my way through the snow yesterday for my appointment at av sales for demo of all the kit im interested in getting. An hours journey took me over 3 hours there and nearly 5 hours back !! What we do for our AV equipment eh ?

    Well what can I say , firstly av-sales lived up to all the hype they get on these forums, even though i was nearly 2 hours late they spent as much time as needed foe me to make my mind up .

    Ive settled on the this lot as my final solution -

    Panasonic TH-42PWD7BK
    Yamaha DSP-AX750SE
    Kef KHT 5005
    JS RGB to Comp

    All i eed to do now is decide betwoon the Audio Authority 1145 and the Zekstor HDS4 for switching of my consoles and dvd player. Im going to connect the Gamecube via S-Video . So it will be 1 of the above switch box's into comp 1 and sky via JS into component 2.
    I think that seems the best way to get it all connected , i was looking at the denon 2805 but cant see where the extra cost goes , plus i like the Yamaha's sound and the learning remote, and silly as it may be the ability to rename the inputs to make things easier for the rest of the family to operate it.

    Av -sales will supply the lot , including all the cables i need as i just cant fault them , Andy and Hayes have always rung me back ad been there to answer my questions.
     

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