Mobile Phones and TV Licences

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  1. scarty16

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    I was just thinking about this, and it occurs to me that you need a TV Licence to own a mobile phone, so whouldn't the TV liecence just be added on to the purchase orice of a mobile phone.

    Secondly, all people who come into the UK with a mobile phone should be made to pay up as well I presume.

    Do I need a TV Licence? - TV Licensing ™
     
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    What if you own a phone but are homeless?
     
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    You still have to pay up.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Bloody BBC. They are ripping us all off irrespective of whether you own a tv or not now.
    The reality is this.....
    Own a tv that receives bbc television/radio. Dont pay the licence. If they come knocking they need evidence so they will need to enter your property. They cannot unless invited so just tell them to get lost at the door. If you have a smartphone/tablet that receives iplayer then theres no chance they can do you unless you turn up at the bbc showing them it on your phone and prooving that you dont have a tv licence. The bbc prey on the stupid and old when it comes to tv licence enforcement. They're scum. Dont give them the opportunity.
     
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    No different to how it was before.
    Basically need a TV licence to watch live TV or iPlayer.
    If these homeless people or tourists with mobile phones aren’t watching live TV or iPlayer on their phone, then they don’t need a TV licence.

    In practice they would need to provide a registered address to apply for a licence, & tourists would probably be covered by their hotel TV licence anyway.
     
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    It use to be that if you had a device that "could theoretically" allow you to watch TV, you needed a licence, but now it seems to be if you "actually watch" TV.

    I still think that it would apply to the homeless, as there does noty appear to be any requirement for a permanent address.

    Tourists etc they are staying somewhere behind a locked door, so I am not sure how hotels licences work vs Student accomodation licences work as students need their own licence, but presumably the hotel has one that covers the whole hotel.
     
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    It's been the case for years now, just read one of the many threads about it.
     
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    Am I missing something? Where does it say that if you own a mobile phone that you need to have a tv license?
     
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    Not 100% but I'm sure the bbc would argue that a mobile "smart" phone is capable of being used to watch their tv via their iplayer so that a mobile phone requires a tv licence. Wouldn't put it past them. Like the business they are (even though they deny it's a commercial concern) they have looked and planned to increase their revenue stream, hence their online presence.
     
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    But when you install the iPlayer app you have to register. Only then it becomes capable. With the app it isn’t capable of it anyway.
     
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    It's more Project Fear Propaganda.
    The facts:

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    Watching online and on mobile devices. You need to be covered by a TV Licence if you: watch or record any live TV online. download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer - live, catch up or on demand.

    from:

    Watching online and on mobile devices - TV Licensing ™
     
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    Think of it this way. You buy a television, then you have to either connect it to an external tv player (youview box etc) or use its built in freeview player, but you have to tune that automatically to setup the channels. So in essence that television is a blank screen that will play anything you plug into it via its hdmi input or scart input. PC, games console etc. You do not necessarily have to use it to watch BBC or any other television providers broadcasts. But you still have to pay their licence once you own it. That to me is the essence of this whole argument. Ridiculous isn't it.
     
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    It actually used to be the case that battery-powered portable receivers were exempt from the licence requirement, I can't imagine that's changed.
    So if you watched live TV on a laptop plugged into the mains you needed a licence, if you charged it up and unplugged it, you didn't.
    Phones and tablets would come under mobile - battery powered - devices.

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    If you go out in your caravan and watch TV on a portable, you were covered by the licence you already have for your home address.
    Same in Student's halls.
    But if you plugged your TV into the student hall mains supply, you'd then need a licence.
     
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    No, it isn't, because you don't.
     
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    Dont you? You own a television you have to pay or face the consequences?
     
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    It's all changed. Because TVs can be used as monitors and other reasons not "watching TV" related. You now only need a licence if you watch or record live TV or watch I-player. On any device. It really couldn't be any simpler.
     
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    You mean this bit - This applies to any provider you use and any device, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder.
     
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    No, completely untrue.
     
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    That's never been true if the TV is used as a local display for offline content, ie. DVDs, home video, CCTV etc.
    But as soon as the live tuner is used (or now, online video from iPlayer) then the licence terms apply.
     
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    but only if you watch or record Live TV on it (or watch I-player)
     
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    Also with regards to BAttery vs mains

    Do I need a TV Licence to watch TV away from home?

    If you’re watching away from your home on a phone, tablet or laptop, and:

    • you plug your device into the mains, you’ll be covered if that property already has a TV Licence (e.g. you go to a friend’s house and they have a licence). Otherwise, you’ll need to buy a separate TV Licence for that property.
    • your device is not plugged in (i.e. you’re watching or recording live TV programmes on any channel, or downloading or watching BBC programmes on iPlayer, using devices powered solely by internal batteries) you will be covered by your home TV Licence.
     
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    You missed the bit that “This applies ...” refers to. You can’t take it just by itself, it is clearly linked to watching programmes.
     
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    On any device... (Give me strength...)
     
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    Of course it is that is what we are talking about.
     
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    Are you reading any of Iron Giant’s posts? :rolleyes:
     
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    It says it in one of his own posts :D
     
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    For once I am. He is the fountain of all strength and nobility and his words are like nectar in my ears. :hiya:
     
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    So Any online or live TV service irrespective if its BBC or not. Also all modern TVs come shipped with a pre loaded freeview tuner. Like I said just dont let anyone into your house who works for TV licensing. They don't have rights of access and they need to see your TV showing television broadcasts before they can prosecute.
     
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    Brilliant :D Do we all now realise you don't need a TV licence
    to own a mobile phone, unless, repeat after me...
     
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