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MJ Acoustics Ref 1 or Compact Sub (Rel Q400E)

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by samhain, Jul 2, 2004.

  1. samhain

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    Still pondering here on which one will be best.

    Since selling the Servo 15 I am looking for a smaller more asthetic subwoofer, but don't want to compromise too much on performance.

    I will be shortlisting the Rel Q400E and MJ Acoustics Ref 1. I think the MJ will be a better all rounder but the Q400E seems to get a good write up as being potent unless driven very hard.

    Anyone got experience of these two.

    Would also consider a B&W 750/800 if I can find a demo with the other two.

    What's the general consensus ? I am in to Home Cinema more but like to whack on the music from time to time too.

    Thanks :smashin:

    Stu
     
  2. ShinObiWAN

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    Having listened to the ASW750, I can definitely recommend it. Perfect for music and good for AV. I'd rate it over the servo15 quite easily.

    Rags and stellavision are both owners and seem very enthusiastic regarding its performance.
     
  3. samhain

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    WOW !! Thanks for that.

    1KW amp for £1200 not bad at all. Going for a listen.
     
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    I can highly recommend the MJ Ref 1, goes very low indeed, not as low as they claim, but low enough. Sequences such as when Sauron gets his finger cut off in the Fellowship of the Ring and there follows a deep bass tone sweep, it goes on for about half a second longer on the MJ Ref 1 than on any other sub I've heard. It's also very musical and sounds smoother and more relaxed than the Q400 which is great for slam and power but lacks subtlety. The new new Mk2 version also has separate crossovers for the low level and high level inputs.

    If anyone's interested I have a mint condition black MJ Ref 1 for sale. All packaging and high level lead and a QED PSW lead included. £500 ONO.
     
  5. Matt F

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    That sounds like overhand to me ;)

    Matt.
     
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    It's not "overhand" or overhang as I think you meant, its quite simply that most other subs fail to reproduce the lowest frequencies of the sweep.
     
  7. Nimby

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    I think he really meant "underhand" Crustyloafer. :devil:

    It's very odd. I haven't been able to find "The Fellowship" on the shelves anywhere after months of looking. So I still haven't seen it! :blush:

    Thanks for the scene tip. I'll keep looking. :D

    Nimby
     
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    The sweep doesn't really go deep, it's mostly above 50Hz.

    If a subwoofer can't reproduce it, I'd start looking for room problems.
     
  9. Nimby

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    Good point! I am often surpised at how "high" in the bass some "exciting" bass sounds actually are.

    Try Spectrum Labs (free download) for a real-time waterfall graph of what's really happening. :)

    Most of the bass on pop music is above 30Hz with the "floor melting" stuff only around 30Hz. M.Oldfield/Satriani etc. Blue Man group is supposed to go much lower. I have them on order. :smashin:
    Madonna has odd numbers with lower fundamentals. But I always thought that about her anyway! :devil:

    Nimby
     
  10. rags

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    Thats right. The ASW750 is a fantastic subwoofer. Having heard a Servo15 myself I would also say that the ASW750 is significantly better. I have also heard a Rel 400E and frankly you would be wasting your money.

    Buy it and its big grin time !
     
  11. Matt F

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    In what way if I may ask? The Servo seems to have the B&W licked on paper (for all paper specs are worth): Servo +/-2db = 17Hz, ASW750 +/-3dB = 20Hz. We also know that the Servo generally keeps distortion below 5% and never goes above 10% - does the B&W play cleaner than this?

    I haven't heard both myself but I was just wondering as the general opinion these days seems to be that, when you are talking about two high quality subs, the room in which the sub is in (and the way in which it has been integrated) is likely to have a greater influence on the sound than the sub itself.

    Matt.
     
  12. rags

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    As you say Matt - on paper means nothing. Given that I heard the Servo in someone elses house, your right differences in room response will be a significant factor. The Servo I heard sounded a bit fat and bloated - nowhere near as clean as the ASW750. For me it wasnt in the same ballpark. It certainly goes low but simply doesnt have the same punch. If your ever down London way your more than welcome to have a cup of tea round mine and see how it stacks up (room response allowing).

    Apart form Shinobiwan's comments above I have had two Servo15 owners round my house who have compared the ASW750 favourable against their Servo's and one chap who preferred the single ASW750 over a two Servo15 setup.
     
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    I have had two Mission subs, an SVS 25-31 Pci, a B&W ASW675 and now the B&W ASW750. The ASW750 is indeed a stunning sub and exhibits serious class. It's certainly the best sub I've heard to date. :thumbsup:
     
  14. samhain

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    I have arranged a demo on Saturday for the 750.
     

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