Mr Noble
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Most veggies look like death warmed up.
It's something to do with the slaughterhouse video he posted that I cut because it had an over 18 warning on it.
if God hadn't meant us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them taste so good !
We could apply your logic to eating humans as apparently they taste like pork.
only serious in as much as the video shocked me.Mistreatment of animals has always been a bit of an issue with me but i dont have the moral strength of character to follow even a vegetarian let alone vegan lifestyle.I admire people who do and know some as well.None have health issues as some have aluded here,indeed one did have until she adopted a vegan lifestyle .She is, of course, very careful about what she eats so as to get the full compliment of minerals and vitamins.Hi LGS
If you are serious about this, could you explain in your own words why you would wish to become a vegan?
Are you already a vegetarian?
It's valid logic, but the compelling reason against it is disease. Generally, you can't catch anything nasty from eating other animals, but we are by definition not immune to anything another human may have caught. Cooking is not a protection in many cases.We could apply your logic to eating humans as apparently they taste like pork.
only serious in as much as the video shocked me.Mistreatment of animals has always been a bit of an issue with me but i dont have the moral strength of character to follow even a vegetarian let alone vegan lifestyle.I admire people who do and know some as well.None have health issues as some have aluded here,indeed one did have until she adopted a vegan lifestyle .She is, of course, very careful about what she eats so as to get the full compliment of minerals and vitamins.
From my point of view and accepting that we as primates are mostly omnivorous, the issue is more about animal husbandry and, both , the kind and amount of meat I should consume.Again I would say that if I had any moral rectitude in this regard, I would only consume organic meats raised in appropriate environments and slaughtered humanely.Unfortunately price pressures tend to dictate otherwise as they do with most people, so i end up consuming the concentration camp animal products we all take for granted.I keep trying to tell myself that less meat ,but of a much higher quality, surely must be better both for us as consumers and the poor animals who would at least live something approaching a life even though it may be relatively short .Sometimes I think we should all at some point in our lives visit an abattoir ,maybe even kill a pig or two , see what it feels like before continuing our flesh eating habits.I would wager that some would alter their diets
We could apply your logic to eating humans as apparently they taste like pork.
Even vegans have blood on there hands and most of the biggest groups pushing for vegan life styles and animal rights are liars and hypocrites.
One of the growing causes of deforestation in the amazon is soya production aimed at the growing numbers of vegans and vegis. The result more vanished and dead wildlife and there for blood on the hands of vegans. No wonder you dont see peta and co trying to protect wildlife and wild areas..
Don't confuse 'quality' with nutritional value. The main problem with junk food has been its high fat and sugar content. We need both in our diets, but in moderation. Good steak is inedible without a reasonable fat content, and one Big Mac and fries provides at least as much food value as fillet steak and potatoes. Of course, lots of BM's provide too much of other ingredients, so you have to avoid eating them in large numbers.only serious in as much as the video shocked me.Mistreatment of animals has always been a bit of an issue with me but i dont have the moral strength of character to follow even a vegetarian let alone vegan lifestyle.I admire people who do and know some as well.None have health issues as some have aluded here,indeed one did have until she adopted a vegan lifestyle .She is, of course, very careful about what she eats so as to get the full compliment of minerals and vitamins.
From my point of view and accepting that we as primates are mostly omnivorous, the issue is more about animal husbandry and, both , the kind and amount of meat I should consume.Again I would say that if I had any moral rectitude in this regard, I would only consume organic meats raised in appropriate environments and slaughtered humanely.Unfortunately price pressures tend to dictate otherwise as they do with most people, so i end up consuming the concentration camp animal products we all take for granted.I keep trying to tell myself that less meat ,but of a much higher quality, surely must be better both for us as consumers and the poor animals who would at least live something approaching a life even though it may be relatively short .Sometimes I think we should all at some point in our lives visit an abattoir ,maybe even kill a pig or two , see what it feels like before continuing our flesh eating habits.I would wager that some would alter their diets
Actually the vast majority of the soyabeans (I think its something like 90%) that come from the Amazon are used to feed livestock around the world.
Also, one of the (if not the) biggest cause of Amazon deforestation is cattle ranching.
only serious in as much as the video shocked me.Mistreatment of animals has always been a bit of an issue with me but i dont have the moral strength of character to follow even a vegetarian let alone vegan lifestyle.I admire people who do and know some as well.None have health issues as some have aluded here,indeed one did have until she adopted a vegan lifestyle .She is, of course, very careful about what she eats so as to get the full compliment of minerals and vitamins.
From my point of view and accepting that we as primates are mostly omnivorous, the issue is more about animal husbandry and, both , the kind and amount of meat I should consume.Again I would say that if I had any moral rectitude in this regard, I would only consume organic meats raised in appropriate environments and slaughtered humanely.Unfortunately price pressures tend to dictate otherwise as they do with most people, so i end up consuming the concentration camp animal products we all take for granted.I keep trying to tell myself that less meat ,but of a much higher quality, surely must be better both for us as consumers and the poor animals who would at least live something approaching a life even though it may be relatively short .Sometimes I think we should all at some point in our lives visit an abattoir ,maybe even kill a pig or two , see what it feels like before continuing our flesh eating habits.I would wager that some would alter their diets
well i am not a nutritionist but in the case of burgers,I would rather suspect it would depend on the quality of meat used as well as the amount sugar added.One made from fresh chuck steak would be fine but, if as jamie oliver recently alluded, they are mostly made from mechanically extracted meat and whatever nasties are mixed in with it , then i most probably feel inclined to avoid them.Don't confuse 'quality' with nutritional value. The main problem with junk food has been its high fat and sugar content. We need both in our diets, but in moderation. Good steak is inedible without a reasonable fat content, and one Big Mac and fries provides at least as much food value as fillet steak and potatoes. Of course, lots of BM's provide too much of other ingredients, so you have to avoid eating them in large numbers.
It is up to you to decide whether organic foods are the way to go, but as for food value there is no difference. The main issue is additives, which may or may not be harmful. Personally I believe not: we're all living longer despite a huge growth in what might be called 'junk' or 'non-organic' foods. If they were really harmful, even improvements in medical care wouldn't keep pace.
There is also an argument about intensive rearing of animals. It is too easy to anthropomorphise, and looked at rationally it is obvious that the most successful large animal on the planet, possibly even including humans, is the battery chicken. They have managed to manipulate us into producing them in huge numbers, and the fact they survive to be eaten in such a healthy state shows that they are not distressed. That being said, human sentiment does play a part, and I'm not a great fan of the process myself. But the fact remains that without them human malnutrition would be greater today.
Finally, I don't think squeamishness in watching animals being slaughtered would be a major factor if we educated it out of our attitudes. Most humans today and in all history have been more than happy to kill and prepare their own food.
We could apply your logic to eating humans as apparently they taste like pork.
You are absolutely right, Ed Selley! Being vegetarian or vegan doesn't mean that you automatically lack certain vitamins or that you are not healthy.Indeed although not in the quantities we generally do now. The problem with absolutes is that you leave yourself open to exceptions. Some people are healthy as vegans in the same way that huge numbers of notionally omniverous people are not sustainably healthy in any way, shape or form.