Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by Brogan, Jan 20, 2004.
CDWOW has R1 of this disk as 207 min's and the R2 version as 122 min's.
Surely this is a mistake?
Looks like it as it looks ass though there is no cut on them.
Thanks for that.
I checked on another site but they haven't got it listed yet.
Have to make a note of that site too.
Is the R1 version dts?
Cant find info anywhere
Unlikely as none of the previous Matrix film's have dts, I think wachoski may prefer DD
Warner Bros is the reason they don't have DTS.
I'm sure I didn't write that...
Watching it last night, I found the DD sound quite dissapointing and flat, nowhere near as good as Reloaded or The Matrix.
Anybody else think this?
I got my copy of The Matrix Revolutions R1 today.
I also noticed that the sound was flat. I found it a bit disappointing as far as the sound is concerned.
Other than that, excellent picture and a good movie.
This sounds a bit concerning as on the big screen I found the sound to be anything but 'flat' (as with the previous movies). I'll report on my R3 version (from cdwow) when I get it next week.
Speaking of length of feature. My R1 shows 129mins on the box.
Theres a time difference between region 1 and 2 because of PAL speedup, don't worry its the exact same version the United Kingdom has.
Well glad to see that it wasn't just me. The picture quality is great on my Hitachi plasma, shame its let down by the sound. I hope maybe some of the other region versions are better that the R1 as then I might swap.
Not a good demo disc for home cinema.
I personally found the sound flat and quiet on reloaded as well. The matrix sounded fantastic with a nice wide sound stage and knocked your socks of. Reloaded Was dissapointing, with having to turn it up another 10db just to get on par with the matrix soundtrack but still didn`t have the open soundstage what the original had. Gonna pick up the r2 of revolutions today, so it be interesting if it`s any better.
afaik Matrix Reloaded (R2) has the DD soundtrack recorded at a bitrate of 384kbps, which may account for it being "quiet".
Don't confuse "flat" with "quiet" people....turn Reloaded up to reference level and it is very dynamic with alot of punch. I got Revolutions today so I'll try it out later tonight...
The american version of reloaded is 448kb/s, their first 448kb/s in a long long time, now all american Warner titles are 448kb/s i guess UK customers still get the lower bitrate.
In my opinion I thought that reloaded had a very good transfer but that the audio mix was well out. The recording level for the dialogue versus the LFE effects was way out. If you crank it up to reference levels so that the dialogue and ambient effects are clearly audiable then the LFE effects are way OTT and out of proportion.
Quite often though the LFE levels are hot on many DVDs....most people don't ever watch @ reference level tbh, where it can become a problem. And also, quite often it's not the LFE that's hot, but the listening room that's boosting all kinds of frequencies.
Yeah but my room was equalised by TMA and runs a pretty flat response. I normally listen at -10 but in order to hear the dialogue clearly I was having to crank it up at which point the bass on action sequences is well OTT.
IMO, the soundtrack on Matrix Revolutions is anything but flat. I find it very dynamic and open with the LFE being absolutely devastating - plenty of very strong output below well below 25hz, just listen to the scene where Neo encounters the mainframe computer head towards the end of the movie. Everyword that comes out of the mainframes mouth literately shakes the whole living-room with such well accurate pitch that to be quite honest I've never heard a voice so low in frequency and impact
I pretty much agree with the person who wrote this review of Revolutions regarding the soundtrack:
If you are going to watch Revolutions then do yourself a favour and watch the movie at -05dB (minimum) and prepare to hold on to something tight when the LFE starts to kick in lol
Having watched revolutions the other day my opinions are, i found it better than reloaded but still not as good as the matrix. I found the dialogue at a low level and really had to crank my centre up to here the voices clearly. Not a bad soundtrack by any means but have heard far better.
Got my region3 copy I'll give that a spin later and let you know how it sounds.
A good soundtrack is not driven by LFE alone. I agree that the when the LFE kicks in when the mainframe talks is pretty earth shaking. But I found the overall dynamics of the soundtrack to be quite poor. I have listened to the movie again at reference level and volume is no subsititute for high quality dynamics.
I found the dialouge hard to follow during action scenes (even at reference) and found that the surrounds hardly get a work out at all.
Watch the original Matrix then watch Revolutions and you will see what I mean.
Just so nobody thinks I have a tin pot setup, I am using a 656a pioneer DVD, Pioneer VSA-AX10i amp, Monitor Audio speakers (6.1 system) and a Monitor Audio Fastbass sub (1KW) so the gear is more than upto the challenge, shame it doesn't get it.
Watched R3 Revolutions and thought it was pretty good, but not like the original Matrix perhaps. Not as bad as some make out but it is an R3. The best sound moment for me in the trilogy is probably when Neo wakes up in that red gel thing and looks down to see the entire network - the sound is so enveloping and the bass just goes straight through you.
I agree about the R2 release of "Matrix - Revolutions", the dialogue is quiet compared to the previous two films.
After all i just increase the volume for this film, but then i don't get that problem with other films in DD or DTS.
Is it worth getting the R1 version for the better sound ??, and sell my R2 version ??
The region one versh is 129 mins - which is about 128 minutes too long....
one of the worst films I've seen in a good while
Watched Revolutions last night, and it seriously put our sound system through it's paces!!! I agree that it is a VERY quiet transfer, but if you turn anything down it sounds 'flat'. Not sure what people are expecting if this is considered to be not very good.
I suspect that this movie is another victim of hollywood 'make it loud and don't fudge around' style mixing, whilst the first one (much smaller budget) wasn't.. this means that the dialogue is mixed to standard reference levels, and then the FX and music are made ear-bleedingly loud for maximum impact. This huge dynamic doesn't translate well to DVD.
I thought the sound was GREAT BTW, the battle in the dock was very detailed with lots of things whipping around in the surrounds... and the voice of the machine head (looked a bit like a huge puffer fish, and I was reminded of finding nemo for a second) was cool too....
-10!! christ, that must be loud. i normally listen at -40 to -50 and it's pretty bloody loud, i think my windows might shatter at -10!
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