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Marantz VP-12S1 impressions

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by MikeC, Jun 15, 2002.

  1. MikeC

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    It took a while to come, but, now its here, I'm impressed....

    so here goes...

    current setup:
    temporary 16:9 screen 68" diagonal using icestorm 5
    projector fed with s-video from Pie'n'Ear 717
    I have tried pc connection and this works well picture wise - except that my pc has a marginal
    specification (700Mhz and no hardware acceleration) for the job.

    General observations:
    The polysyrene packaging was badly broken (same as mentioned on other forums).
    The projector itself is quite chunky but is nicely finished.

    Noise: I cannot hear the fan or the colour wheel, but there is a blowing wind noise which
    means that during quiet parts, it is noticable.
    The colour wheel only lets itself known when changing switching TV standards (PAL->NTSC and back).
    It takes about 2 to 3 minutes for the bulb to come up to full brightness.
    I initially set it up using Video Essentials, but wasn't overly happy since this uses bloom
    to set contrast and dlp's and lcd's don't have this 'feature'.
    I eventually used settings derived from browsing avsforum and found them pretty good.

    The Picture.
    The picture is very impressive. Detail is very good. This is needles to say good and bad.
    Poor dvds (film grain especially) are shown to be just that whereas good ones are well ...
    great. Colours are (IMHO) very natural.
    Blacks are very very dark grey and in reality look black compared with the rest of the
    picture. I suspect that there is less detail in the blacks than from a crt, but so far
    I havn't noticed this as a problem.

    Rainbows: These are non-existent (2 me). I did notice them when showing the focus grid from the pj
    when I got close to the screen so I suspect they may be present under certain conditions.

    Bulb flickering: My projector does have this problem, but in reality it is not really that
    noticable since most films have quicky changing scenes anyway. It is more noticable when showing
    say a windows desktop where the occasional flicker is more apparant.
    The de-interlacer / scaler works very well. So far the only hiccup has been in 'The Mummy' R2
    at time index 11m 40s when the background desert goes very flickery for a couple of seconds.
    Trying this same scene using my PC and WinDvd did not have this problem....

    Negative aspects.
    The price....

    Sum up
    Im very pleased (thankfully) with it. At the moment there doesn't appear to be anything else on the horizon
    which will be a significant step forward.
    If you can afford it then I strongly suggest you go along to see one.

    Snaps.
    I have attached some example pictures taking using my Canon Ixus.
    They are an indication of what the projector can do (slightly adjusted brightness & contast) to reflect what they really looked like ...

    Addendum:
    I meant to say a few words re pc usage.
    I have successfully sent 1280x720 (native panel resolution) and this does produce a very
    impressive picture,
    but apparantly the pj cannot do pixel to pixel mapping (it gets v. close tho').
    Also see comments later re heat from lamp in small rooms.

    Mike
     

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    Mike C,
    These look real good,my only criticism would be the Gladiator scenes look too dark(Brightness too low..?)

    Could you repost with the brightness up slightly to pick out background detail?...or some more scenes from Gladiator?

    Doug;)
     
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    Mike: If you have VE then quite a good way to check contrast is with the montage of images section where the fish jumps out of the river up the weir. If the contrast is set too high you will not be able to see the point at which the waterfall hits the river once it's gone over the edge. Put the section on an a-b loop and turn up the contrast and you'll see what I mean. All hig level detail will be crushed out...then start turning it down to your setting and you'll see all the detail start to come back....

    Works on most fixed pixel devices. Some plasma's can go very high on contrast before crushing white. I wouldn't advise that though as you are just asking to wear the thing out too fast...

    Gordon
     
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    doug
    I agree, they do look a bit dim. I just re-checked my settings on the pj & had accidently set
    it incorrectly :rolleyes: .
    I have re-taken some of the Gladiator scenes below.

    Gordon
    thanks for the advice. I do see what you mean re the waterfall scene and have turned
    the contrast down
    slightly as a result of this.

    Mike

    Battle of Carthage - Russell Crowe.
     

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    Derek Jacobi looking pensive
     

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    Mike..NOW YOUR COOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    This is real good...please post some more pics from gladiator..

    I think this projector is the current champ of dlp-I GOTTA SEE THIS....
    Doug.
    :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
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    I guess bras have come along way since roman times .... :clown:
     

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    The last one for now - another pic from the underground scene.

    doug hope you enjoy these :)


    As a footnote to my earlier notes on this pj is that it does produce a fair amount of heat.
    I dare say smaller rooms in summer could get quite warm (plus all the associated av equipment).

    Finally,
    these posts are a thanks to everyone on the forum who has helped guide me along the path to
    av nirvana. ;)

    oh well alright.. closer to nirvana then.... :) just need a bigger house to fit all this
    stuff in now ....

    Mike
     

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    Mike c-BRILLIANT ...

    The skin tones are excellent,blacks and fine detail very good.

    Do I get you right though?...this is via s-video?


    If it is,this projector should be awesome via p.c.!!!!!

    Doug

    :)
     
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    Hi doug
    yep - all pictures are from using s-video (good ole Pioneer 717).

    The Faroujda and Pixel Works scaler are very good.

    Via pc its also very good but as mentioned earlier, you
    cannot get exact pixel-to-pixel mapping (v. close tho').

    Mike
     

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