Hope it's all working good nowBought a Cinema 40. Seems a bit buggy. Crashed at the manual test tone screen and had to do a factory reset. It was on the latest firmware too. Working fine after the reset…
Sadly no.Hope it's all working good now
I've figured it out!
When you're running in processor mode. ie. you elect to switch off the internal amps; it switches off ALL of the amps, including the headphone amp! Doesn't make too much sense from a functionality perspective; but I guess it does what it says on the tin.
That’s the thing. I’ using a power amp to power my fronts. When I tell the Cinema 40 to do “pre-out only” for those channels; it shuts off not only the amplification for the relevant speakers; but also the headphone amp.If you only use it as a Pre-Amp could you get around that by using the Speaker Connection option?
Oh, that's interesting.That’s the thing. I’ using a power amp to power my fronts. When I tell the Cinema 40 to do “pre-out only” for those channels; it shuts off not only the amplification for the relevant speakers; but also the headphone amp.
It’s no bother really to either (a) just run in “internal amps + pre out mode” in perpetuity; or (b) switch between the modes when I want to use my headphones.
Just a minor quirk of the operations. I might pop a suggestion over to D&M that the headphone being plugged in should obviously override whichever settings are set on amp assign.
That’s the thing. I’ using a power amp to power my fronts. When I tell the Cinema 40 to do “pre-out only” for those channels; it shuts off not only the amplification for the relevant speakers; but also the headphone amp.
It’s no bother really to either (a) just run in “internal amps + pre out mode” in perpetuity; or (b) switch between the modes when I want to use my headphones.
Just a minor quirk of the operations. I might pop a suggestion over to D&M that the headphone being plugged in should obviously override whichever settings are set on amp assign.
Indeed. One would think that it’d be able to say “right, the headphones are plugged in; that takes precedence over all of my other settings; we can turn the headphone amp back on”.Ah, I read it as though you were using the full Pre-Amp mode option. Perhaps it's a bug as it does seem a bit strange?
Indeed. One would think that it’d be able to say “right, the headphones are plugged in; that takes precedence over all of my other settings; we can turn the headphone amp back on”.
Interesting; I'll try that tonight.I have the full service manual to the x3100 - I am no expert in reading wiring diagrams! But... I've just spent 5 minutes, following the path of the headphone socket backwards through the massive wiring diagrams. It looks to me like the headphone socket signals for L and R (called HPL and HPR) are switched on and off by the same relays that switch the FL and FR internal amplifiers on and off.
It being likely that your model is similar, this would explain what's going on. My guess would be that this is something the D&M engineers forgot about.
If you don't mind testing, it would be interesting if you switch the AVR to full pre-amp mode in AMP ASSIGN and see if it does the same thing (it should do if my theory is correct). That mode would also switch out the relay on those internal amps.
I can't answer that definitively, but what I can say is that it's a clear sound upgrade from my previous 7011 (a few iterations earlier than your model, I know).Is the cinema series a worthy upgrade sound wise from an SR7015?
I can't answer that definitively, but what I can say is that it's a clear sound upgrade from my previous 7011 (a few iterations earlier than your model, I know).
Currently, the direct replacement for your 7015 would be the Cinema 40, but it is just so expensive at £2400*. I bought the 50 as I simply couldn't afford it and as the 50 is the equivalent of the previous 6 Series, I was concerned that it would seem underpowered in comparison, but it's just as rich and room-filling and, in my opinion, even sweeter-sounding.
It depends on what you're looking for - it still has that signature Marantz warmth and might tame some of the brightness of your Dali speakers. Do you actually own the receiver as you've not included it in your kit list?
I bought my Cinema 50 as I'd just treated myself to a PS5 and the 7011 didn't support all the different game picture enhancements, the sound improvement was just a bonus for me. I think it's also worth mentioning that I think they may have tweaked Audyssey XT32 because the calibration produced very different results, much more consistent and accurate.
The remote's nicer, too!
*The price has dropped:
Marantz CINEMA 40 Premium 9.2 Channel AV Receiver
Cinema 40 is a statement piece equipped with 125W per channel amplification. The 9 channel AV Receiver supports several streaming services and is available in two stylish finishes.petertyson.co.uk
Peter Tyson offer trade-in on old equipment, too.
Ahh, I see - you're asking us what to choose between the 7015 or the Cinema Series, and the 50 or the 40?I reallllllllyyyyy want to upgrade and the SR7015 is £999 compare to £1400-£1700 for the Cinema 50. Is the 40 worth half as much more, just for the latest tech?
Thanks for this, Phil, you've done your homework!Just following on from Derek’s post.
- Cinema 40 is designed and manufactured at their prestigious factory in Japan, a.k.a. Shirakawa Audio Works, same as the SR8015, while the Cinema 50 is manufactured in Vietnam.
- Cinema 40 utilizes higher grade audio components and design. (IE. HDAM-SA2 improve version similar to the SR8015).
- Cinema 40 has a more powerful EI core transformer, audio capacitor and higher rated power 125wpc vs 110wpc of Cinema 50.
- Cinema 40 utilizes monolithic amplifier construction, meaning each amplifier channel comes with its own amplifier PCB, instead of one single amplifier PCB for all channels providing better performance against crosstalk and vibration.
- Cinema 40 incorporates more acoustic treatment for audio tuning, copper screws on the back panel, etc.
- Cinema 40 employs 7 HDMI inputs vs. 6 HDMI inputs of Cinema 50 (All inputs support up to 8K40, 4K120 on both models).
- Aluminum and a large trap door design (face plate) providing access to A large 2 line FL display and cursor keys under the trap door allowing CINEMA 40 users to configure the receiver using only front panel keys and a large 2 line display. (the CINEMA 50 also support aluminum and trap door design but does not support a large FL display and setup buttons on the front panel)
- Cinema 40 has 3 source/3 zones vs 2 source/2 zones of Cinema 50.
- Cinema 40 has 3 trigger outputs vs. 2 of Cinema 50.
- Cinema 40 has 1 component and 1 composite video input while the Cinema 50 does not.
Thanks for this, Phil, you've done your homework!
This does look like an impressive list of differences between the two models, but a couple of points:
1. Unless you do a direct A-B comparison, how will you know which sounds better?
2. Cinema 50 £1700, Cinema 40 £2150 = £450 difference. I still think that's a lot extra to pay for perhaps only marginal improvements, though I can't deny that the legacy connections may matter to some purchasers.
3. I do find it interesting that the 40 has dropped in price so quickly whilst the 50 has held firm; maybe the 40 isn't selling as well? This is no reflection on its quality, by the way, just that the 50 may be the sweet spot for the price/performance ratio as I mentioned before, that's all.
Before doing that, maybe try a soft reset first: Continue pressing the power button on the unit until “Restart” appears in the display, or remove and re-insert the power cord of the unit.Looks like I have more issues, when I press set-up on my remote I get a blank display....might have to do a factory reset and start again.
Yep, you're right!I have the full service manual to the x3100 - I am no expert in reading wiring diagrams! But... I've just spent 5 minutes, following the path of the headphone socket backwards through the massive wiring diagrams. It looks to me like the headphone socket signals for L and R (called HPL and HPR) are switched on and off by the same relays that switch the FL and FR internal amplifiers on and off.
It being likely that your model is similar, this would explain what's going on. My guess would be that this is something the D&M engineers forgot about.
If you don't mind testing, it would be interesting if you switch the AVR to full pre-amp mode in AMP ASSIGN and see if it does the same thing (it should do if my theory is correct). That mode would also switch out the relay on those internal amps.
Phil - I'm almost tempted not to write anything here as I don't want to tempt fate, but I've had zero issues with my Cinema 50 so far.Looks like I have more issues, when I press set-up on my remote I get a blank display....might have to do a factory reset and start again.
Well it is now 3 days later - don't leave us hanging. Did soft reset work? If not, did hard/factory reset work?Looks like I have more issues, when I press set-up on my remote I get a blank display....might have to do a factory reset and start again.