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Marantz 7500, Denon 3805 or NAD T753?

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    Hi guys, I am currently getting ready to replace my Denon 2802 with either the 3805 the Marantz 7500 or the NAD T753. I currently have Polk RTi8's, CSi5 and Fxi3's in a 6.1 setup and use the receiver for 96% movies. For the purposes of movies and pushing these Polks, which would you recommend as the better "match" or "bang for your buck"?

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    Out of personal preference I've never been a fan of NAD's. For music, hands down I'd choose the Marantz, it has nice ample power supplies & is THX Select certified. But since you said 96% of your usage is for movies (how did you come up with this number btw? :laugh: ) I suppose the fact that the Marantz is very musical isn't important to you.

    The Denon AVR-3805 is an impressive all-around receiver. The customization offered by the AVR-3805 rivals just about anything in its price class. It also has Denon-link & a very cool remote.

    Tbh I can't give you a clear winner here, although it is definitely between the Denon & Marantz. Both are very high-quality amps and you wouldn't be disappointed with either. Try and go for a demo if you can. :smashin:
     
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    The SR7400 which I have is basically the SR7500 without the THX processing and Dolby headphone I believe.

    In which case, I would recommend the SR7500 over the 3805. The SR7400 outperforms the 3805 in stereo, with movies, the 3805 is ahead, but only slightly, the SR7400 has the higher quality amps where the 3805 has gone for the designer name chipsets. Personally, I prefer the Marantz for movies as the dialogue is better presented. The 3805 is a VERY good AV amp, but I prefer the Marantz, you may prefer the Denon, always best to listen.

    As for more amps to look at, I would say the NAD T763 would be a better match against the SR7500, the Arcam AVR250 is also another very good amp. Seeing that your focus is more movie than music then the Yamaha RXV1500 (the new yammys are also good with music) and the Pioneer 2014 should DEFINITELY be on your shortlist to audition.
     
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    Don't forget that even if you intend to use the amp 96% for movies, the music is very important in a film (Star Wars, LOTR,...) and therefore it may be a good option to choose a musical receiver.
     
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    Agreed :thumbsup:
     
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    If you looking at spending the money for the 3805 then you should also look at the older Yamaha 2400 which can be had for under £600 and its newer brother the 2500 for under £700 at www.petertyson.co.uk. Good for music and one of the best movie machines ont he market:D
     
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    I also have the SR7400 and highly recommend it. Although i must say the price the new 7500 seems to be much higher then my 480 quid 7400. I guess THX comes at a price.
     
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    The SR7400 had a RRP of nearly £800 in the UK, it was just heavily discounted at a few places for much of it's lifespan. The 7500 has THX pre-processing, Official Dolby Headphone and audio delay features. I'd also expect it to have newer DACs and maybe a tweaked power supply. Overall, an evolution rather than an evolution (to quote Tons of Fun who knows about these things).

    I don't think the Denon would add a huge amount onto what you already have apart from features, whilst the Nad cuts back on some features but is very well manufactured internally to provide an enormous power source, I've also heard that the processing is excellent.

    I'm very pleased with my Marantz 7400 but really, all 3 in your shortlist will keep you happy although they're all obviously designed from slightly different outlooks. If you can help narrow down what's important to you then the decision should be a fairly easy one. :)
     
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    There is another option too, the SR8500, which also brings DVI switching to the fore. It has a bit more power than the SR7400/SR7500 and is just as well built, no one's heard one yet though :(

    Like John says, the three in your shortlist are all very good amps, at this price point, there are a LOT of options, and 90% of them are great buys.
     
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    The 1014TX is better than all the others on your list.

    The translation is rough but you should get it and also you need to realize the A3X is the European version of the 53TX. I've had both and the 1014TX is clearly better.

    6 stars are highest.


    Overview

    One assigns spontaneously high preisklassen to Sorgfaeltigst
    finished AV aV-Receiver or amplifiers with unloading case dimensions
    and very rich equipment. Until recently one lay with such an estimate
    also in principle correctly - then Denon with the current AV Receiver
    generation came and proved with models like the AVR-2105 and the
    AVR-2805 that a outstanding processing, a radiating, large and nobel
    working housing as well as far above average equipment also to the
    Economy tariff are to be realized sovereignty and peace at the same
    time. Now however the competition acts - in particular Pioneer makes
    pressure, what a hot before-Christmas promises COUNT down. Does it
    create the new VSX-1014 to still intercept the Denon Armada in running
    around the favour the buyer shank? It is concerning the price
    calculated skillfully, lies it with a purchase price of 799 EUR
    exactly between the two Denons and can both in such a way strongly
    heat: The small model as the more expensive, but still erwachsenere
    alternative, the larger AVR-2805 than economical competitor, that
    bring along SELECT certificate as plus even still another THX. The
    competition is open - we look in the large practice test exactly
    whether the new Pioneer is a serious competitor.


    With seeming and feature already the Denons scored fully, the new
    yardsticks however sets Pioneer. One does not get a so gediegene,
    noble processing for clear under 1.000 EUR momentarily anywhere
    differently - even with twice as expensive competitors the VSX-1014
    can measure in such a way sovereign that some contractor before shame
    might sink in the soil. Nothing works poorly at the Pioneer, when
    example would be the successful display, which noble equipment front
    or the thick, solid flap mentioned, behind which less often necessary
    control elements hid themselves.


    The ability of the VSX-1014 not to only strike the collected
    competition to deklassieren but in this valuation is due also to the
    first-class remote maintenance, which arises in such a manner nobly
    and aufwaendig that one would spontaneously never assign it to this
    preisklasse. The general impression also the excellently processed
    equipment back, little things fits like the unloading and silver
    shining equipment feet proves that Pioneer did not save anywhere.
    Without question our test candidate in this discipline takes the money
    most earns the maximum score - even if the provided M.C.A.C.C.
    microphone works cheaply and cannot not with the point micros of the
    Denon fleet step hold.
    6 Stars


    The VSX-1014 bring along to the favorable conditions not only a THX
    SELECT certificate and concomitantly the possibility of decoding in
    interaction with 7,1 a loudspeaker system THX Surround ex but also
    seven output stages, according to the DIN sine achievement in the
    Surroundbetrieb in each case 120 Watts strongly. The pion-he-own
    "Advanced Direct Energy MOSFET" technology is to support the quality
    of the output stages in form of a high achievement stability and
    outstanding dynamic values. Typically for Pioneer also the automatic
    loudspeaker measuring system is MCACC (inclusive five-step EQ for
    akkurates measuring of the loudspeakers) also at board, which could
    positively be noticeable in also this time in all our test rows by its
    high working reliability and the simple operation. Is decoded if
    everything that nowadays at formats one inquires, thus DTS 96/24, DTS
    IT matrix 6,1, DTS IT Discrete 6,1, THX Surround ex, Dolby digitally
    ex, DTS Neo:6 and Dolby pro Logic IIx. additional offers still its own
    DSP Programmkreationen to Pioneer: Advanced Music, Advanced Movie,
    Expanded theatre, Virtual surround bake, to Phones Surround, Game
    mode, TV Surround mode, sport mode, Advanced concert and 7-channel
    stereo are available. A Dialogenhancer is to improve the
    comprehensibility of dialogues, which is of advantage provable
    straight with DVDs, which bring along over a very quiet dialogue
    merging and/or a very pressureful effect window blind. As DSP
    processor Pioneer uses a Motorola chip with 48 bits computational
    accuracy, for which a precise and fast Decoding is to make possible.
    As D/A transducer Pioneer on 192 kHz/24-Bit-Bausteine, as A/D
    transducers trusts 96 kHz/24-Bit-Konverter for the digitization of
    similar signals is used. For an effective klangwiedergabe with lower
    volumes Pioneer offers a Loudnessfunktion, which raises heights and
    basses seriously also with this AV aV-Receiver. The operation is
    simplified by an on screen display for the execution of the
    Geraetesetups, in addition comes the pre-programmed and additionally
    adaptive system remote maintenance, natural is a RDS rDS-Tuner (30
    Stationsspeicher)und a four-level display dimmer also on board. Our
    result: Full equipment to the savings tariff - congratulations and six
    stars. Evaluation 6 Stars


    At connections Pioneer provides a good selection. Thus there are two coaxial and three optical digital entrances, one optical digital exit, three audio and five audio/video entrances. At similar exits are the mandatory video monitor exit as well as an audio and an audio/video exit. The video section is s-video-wired FBVAS and, for qualitatively high-quality video connections gives it still two YUV entrances and an YUV exit. Furthermore the VSX-1014 has one 5.1-Mehrkanaleingang and 7,1 preamplifier exits. By means of also transportable devices connection to the VSX-1014 can take up front of the AV entrance. Evaluation 6 Stars


    Operation Pioneer was the first offerer, who offered an automatic loudspeaker line-up system - MCACC (Multi Channel Acoustic Calibration system) calls itself the technology. Home cinema beginners will appreciate MCACC due to the simple operation just as much as home cinema fans, that wish a quite exact adjustment of the AV aV-Receivers to the loudspeaker system and to the acoustic conditions in the hearing area. The condition for a correct work with MCACC should be as low a noise level as possible in the hearing area, best is it, it prevails complete silence. The provided microphone is attached to the socket, which is left beside front the AV entrance, planned for it. The list of the microphone takes place at the usual hearing position, best in ear height, which one can realize e.g. by means of a stand, or, completely unorthodox, by means of a cardboard on the sofa, set up in ear height. Basic conditions for a problem-free automatic calibration procedure: 1. Loudspeakers correctly and misphased do not attach 2. Subwoofer, if attached, absolutely switch on. 3. Press the "Receiver" key on the remote maintenance. 4. MCACC Setup key press. 5. If the noise level is too high in the hearing area, the signature flashes "Noisy" in the display. Next the system examines the microphone and the attached loudspeakers. There is one "Err" (= Error) message, the microphone does not work not correctly or the LS connections is correct. During correctly implemented preparations at least in our test rows no error messages emerged, completely directly, which was used loudspeaker system. Case nevertheless problems emerge, emerge different further error messages, depending upon available error, in the display: * "ERR Mic" - errors during the microphone connection * "ERR Fch" - connection of the front LS incorrectly * "ERR Sch" Connection Surround or bake Surround LS incorrectly * "ERR SW" - Subwoofer not switched on and/or volume controls not untwisted. If no error messages arise, which with correct connection of all components the case might be, MCACC begins with the work, in the following steps: 1. Analysis of the attached loudspeakers. The AV aV-Receiver gives here a set of partly quite loud test impulses of itself, which are seized by the microphone. The system confirmed automatically the availability of the LS and makes so the basic adjustment. 2. Analysis of the loudspeaker size. Here MCACC for each box recognizes the optimal rendition range. Also large volume condition loudspeakers with a bass chassis of 16 cm can as "small" are recognized. In our test practice worked this recognition very stimmig and reliably (several LS sets attached to inspection purposes). 3. Attitude of the deceleration time. The microphone recognizes the respective distance of the loudspeaker for hearing position. The deceleration time is stopped automatically for each LS in a raster by 5 cm. 4. Level attitude. Here the sound pressure level of the loudspeakers in relation to the hearing position is analyzed and adapted. 5. Automatic Entzerrung of the LS system. Here MCACC accomplishes the automatic computation of the frequency responses. LS and room acoustics are adjusted here with one another. The VSX-1014 spends thereby a set of test tones, which are seized by the microphone. By means of an accurately working Equalizers the calibration for each channel takes place. Alternatively can be configured also manually, with adjustment possibilities for the distance of the loudspeakers of the hearing place for the manual attitude of the deceleration time. Likewise, as used, the LS size all this can be entered functioned by means of the on screen display fast and uncomplicatedly.
    The remote maintenance lies very well in the hand, the most important control functions for the enterprise is simple to serve. The control elements at the equipment, which hides itself under a stably working flap, are to be administered likewise without difficulties and fallen optical and haptisch. The equipment display is very well readable, contrast and size is stimmig. Altogether also this valuation ends very positively for the 1014er, since it affords no real weakness and with many comfort equipment characteristics points collect can. Evaluation 6 Stars



    Clay/tone Test equipment * DVD Player Onkyo DV-SP1000E, Onkyo DV-SP402E * Loudspeaker system Infinity beta in 7.1 configuration, Nubert nuBox 5.1-Set * Verkablung of Oehlbach Level firmness Pioneers AV aV-Receiver of earlier generations afforded here so some flop: The internal equipment protective circuit responded extremely fast and made rapid for very loud driving, which needs the straight Home Theatre lover just as urgently as the table reserved for regulars the regular beer supply, from. That was also sometimes correctly like that, because the Pioneer AV aV-Receiver was unfortunately inclined also to clear overheating features, which would have led during a very casually acting protective circuit to the heat collapse of elementarily important construction units. At the last generation finally an end was set for this driving, the Pioneer VSX-AX3 offered a perfect level firmness. But that was not enough considering of times, where already with high levels sovereign 25 a square meter hearing area exposes 599 EUR to sound of costing Denon AVR-2105 and the Marantz SR-7400 as well as the Yamaha a RX-V1400, both more favorably than the VSX-AX3, from which Pioneer buy easy the gumption. The pion he developers let this disgrace sit not on itself and fiddled with the output stage and power pack layout around, until with the VSX-1014 a AV machine came out thereby, those the met competition including the very powerful 1,000 EUR league being afraid teach so long - we are strained whether the Yamaha RX-V1500, which with us in Baelde to the test start, and the Marantz SR-7500, which we can will presumably take to at the beginning of of 2005 under the magnifying glass, here. All too we do not want to make the new competitors for much hope, because the Pioneer goes like hell, what has as a consequence that also experienced users heavydo, to believe that 800 EUR equipment raves so by the hearing area. With "U-571" and with "Titan A.E" the Pioneer accomplished without Unterstutzung of an active Subwoofers still results, some new "raeumliche Dimension" make accessible - for the 40 square meter hearing area in the league of the payable AV aV-Receiver. Completely without difficulties the VSX-1014 untwists also in Lokalitaeten of the dimensioning evenly specified and provides for lucky faces at the auditory. We did not have to register any bass or dynamic break-downs in the test log. Who takes an active Subwoofer to the bass-strong assistance under contract, still more reason has to the joy: Because the active Sub, which should not be under any circumstances under-sized considering the abilities of the Pioneer (smallest possible dimensioning: The Nubert enormously strong for its purchase price nuBox AW-440 from the Nubert nuBox set or the devil M3100, special recommendations exzellente for its purchase price the Infinity beta SW-12 and the Quadral power Cube Sub 500 as well as the extremely high performance Nubert nuLine AW-1000 and that earn themselves in the meantime "gefaceliftete" Woofer devil system 5) decreases to the VSX-1014 work within the achievement-intensive bass range and provides in such a way for an energy surplus in the remainder of the frequency spectrum. That has lasting consequences, because now levels are possible with the Pioneer, which are truly enormous. The heating up of the AV aV-Receivers is understandably noticeable with intensive employment, keeps themselves however real in the framework, which speaks for high-quality building groups and for an efficient temperature management.

    Film

    Film clay/tone For many users the question arises: Would I like to save money and am content for it with a Surround plant, or do go I to my passbook, do empty space this nearly completely and do enjoy true Home Theatre Feeling? No easy decision - the VSX-1014 provides however here for the best compromise belonged so far: The passbook can remain confidently well filled, because if one does one month times without additional expenditures in form of extensive bar and restaurant attendance and uses the purchase of the Pioneer perhaps than welcome opportunity, equal which "Hassliebe" to "Glimmstaengel" to swear off, one can also really afford this excellent equipment. And it is worthwhile itself, because which the VSX-1014 at health harmless hearing benefit offers, is immense: Ask her physician or pharmacist, one could the Pioneer smoothly on prescription against herbstlich schwermuetige mood offer. What exactly marks the mixture, which makes this AV aV-Receiver so good? Simple answer: That it can do everything, not only somehow, but amazingly well. A very good example: The submarine war film " U-571". Quieter scenes, which are helpful to the structure of tension, with bored equal courage acknowledge compromise lot on large effects laid out competitors - differentiated detailed work, sensitivity with the structure of Ambient effects is operated rather secondarily and besides. Differently laid out models ensure with their careful detail training for joy with the well-informed listener, but the large "Aha Effekt" remains; with gigantic explosions, here with U-571 there is the bursting depth charges e.g., out - one always thinks: "Das it cannot nevertheless been sein". One pegelt the active Subwoofer highly, stressed in the LS Setup the Surroundlautsprecher, but except a now easily disharmonischen klangbild nothing is to be taken out. Exactly with this evenly described misery the large hour of the VSX-1014, which works also small effects out, which serve the structure of a tension-loaded atmosphere, with much fine feeling, strikes at the same time however with sound-enormous events faithfully the Michael Buffer Muttos "are you ready ton rumble" the audience with urgewaltigen force outbreaks very seriously on the lively cinematic happening attentive makes. The Pioneer lets the met competition look worse here: The Denon AVR-2805 can keep up with the fine feeling well, does not muster however not the unrestrained strength, which the VSX-1014 bring along with effect-enormous scenes. The Kenwood KRF-X9080D, which is more favorable in the comparison to the Pioneer 100 EUR, lets it concern also strongly, must in larger hearing areas however clearly to the Pioneer struck give oneself, that then that improves space feeling clearly offered. The shining Yamaha RX-V1400 can keep up great, who hears longer, notices however that the Pioneer meets simply still better the point - he comes faster to the thing, the output stages is more dynamic and suppler. Also the VSX-1014 with higher precision considers little things. The Marantz SR-7400 is just as in principle laid out as the Pioneer and creates likewise a good spagat between much strength and a high measure of detailing - he cannot offer this fresh, transparent high clay/tone range, which distinguishes the VSX-1014, however. Does the VSX-1014 make now very expensive amplifiers and receiver redundant? Not at all - however it proves impressively that 800 EUR equipment with according to careful structure also so some representatives of the 1,000 - it plays 1,200 EUR league to the wall - but highest praise is entitled to it.


    Multi-channel music rendition Completely directly whether Hip Hop, Techno, jazz or classical period: The VSX-1014 impressed us during the rendition of all kinds of music, which, as sufficiently admits is, made completely different demands against the playback unit: While the leichtfuessige detailed nevertheless, but, spatially akkurate rendition for classical period and jazz friends of highest importance is, loves the HipHop and Techno friend a pressureful bass and a high clay/tone rendition, which, concisely spoken, scratch already at the border to the aggressiveness. Effects are to fly crosswise by the hearing area, in short: "I have got the Power" - that is the criterion, which an accordingly suitable AV aV-Receiver must fulfill, should it for this listener circle be interesting. The VSX-1014 creates it - and that is that special ones - all requirements and hearing habits under a hat to bring, no longer badly than quite, but in a quality, which is not natural even with 1.000 EUR devices. Also recognized good "Recken" like a Marantz SR-7400 (however now one replaces) to create it not to come the Pioneer into the traverse and which Denon AVR-2805 may detail still minimum more accurately, must themselves however, which concerns spatial effect, pressureful bass as well as all dynamics, to which Pioneer audibly struck give, which sets here simply and simply new optima. Thus Pioneers newest coup is recommended also for music lovers, who would like to listen to their Multichannel DVDs in very responding quality. Even before SACDs and DVD audio Discs the Pioneer does not frighten back - even if we must add that here already high talents, how them e.g. a Onkyo TX-NR801E bring along are from emergencies, in order to clarify the advantages of DVD audio and SACD impressively. In beginnings this succeeds to the Pioneer however really well, so that listener shank with normal to somewhat is great served here elevated DVD A/SACD requirements. Those supply and sensitively responding output stages are in combination with the possibility of visiting high volumes practically without harmony losses the necessary Background for a perfect sound reproduction.


    Dolby pro Logic IIx/DTS Neo:6 With Dolby pro Logic IIx and DTS Neo:6 integrated and offers the Pioneer two Surround Aufpolierer approximately convincing results: With correct bass pressure the receiver in the Dolby pro Logic IIx Movie enterprise slams shut and provides also with formerly in stereo or in Dolby pro Logic available clay-pure for a responding rendition, which is supported by those spatially close Surround Klangkulisse. All kinds of effects become effective great and do not work not touched down, but wrap the auditory correctly. For the rendition of classical music and of pieces of jazz the very alive acting DTS Neo:6 music mode is particularly recommended. It does not offer the extremely voluminoese klangbild, spoils however for it with knackigen basses and an amazingly transparent high clay/tone range. Who hears dear Dance or Technomusik as well as seriously spoken skirt music, against it Logic IIx Music is better served with pro: Here it lets crack the Pioneer correctly and lets it in no situation at bass volumes be missing. Altogether both PLIIx and Neo:6 are integiert in most obliging/pleasing, balanced and stimmiger form. Already in connection with favorable loudspeaker systems of the 1,000 EUR class (those, like test: Nubert nuBox 5.1-Set, simply from 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1 to supplement are to be able to enjoy around all advantages particularly from PLIIx also actually) develops a full, spatially far acoustic general impression, which makes clear, why the Pioneer belongs to entire market related to the cost-performance ratio to the strongest products on that.

    Stereo


    The Pioneer slams shut also here fully and can strike even the very good Denon AVR-2805 scarcely - the VSX-1014 offers simply still more dynamics and freshness, casually said "geht it correctly ab". With such an expression experienced acoustic fans cannot begin naturally little to nothing at all, therefore we specify this statement: With very many more favorable AV aV-Receivern one has the feeling that already fairly strive themselves, to produce a decent Stereoklang which also succeeds to them in many cases. But: Even if essentially straight considering the purchase price much cannot be suspended, it is to be stated nevertheless that protects fascination and genuine benefit not arise may not. Naturally, the VSX-1014 makes the very hear-experienced Stereofreund not desireless lucky, however even this must state that the 1014er sounds very alive and creates one, which many not gotten: It develops a quite clearly recognizable virtual stage, so that the position of the individual musician can be constituted relatively precisely. Also the high clay/tone rendition convinces, because also with high levels the result is not fade - many other AV aV-Receiver of more favorable preisklassen do not create it also problem-free to produce with high volumes no disturbing discords for it however are correctly clear and dynamic the sound any longer, it suffer the aliveness. With its interpretation the Pioneer is interesting for that listener shank, which look for inexpensive equipment, which knows to properly show even classical period and jazz CDs.


    Evaluation level firmness 6 Stars
    evaluation sound film 6 Stars

    evaluation sound multi-channel music evaluation 6 Stars

    sound Surround Aufpolierer evaluation sound 6 Stars

    stereo 6 Stars




    Result With the VSX-1014 the Pioneer developers created their masterpiece - and particularly it inspired us that them this achievement is successful not in the Bolidenklasse, but the fact that also the less financial strong Home Cinema lover the benefit one approximately successful until in the detail thought out concept come can. The VSX-1014 sets everywhere new yardsticks: Its extreme level firmness provides for application type in hearing areas up to 40 square meters - there the competition must fit likewise as so far during the brachialen bass rendition and the effect representation with not known values with dynamics and precision. This fascinates us at the 1014er - he offers a compromise from fine work and bear-strong start, almost optimal for its price league, which ensure that the efficiently working high speed hochleistungs-Receiver also still some preisklassen can set itself over it shining in scene and the question raises, why one actually still more money must invest. Well, concerning the price more highly lying offers have perhaps still more connections and since newest also digital high-speed interfaces, if one decided however more sound and quality to have liked, than the 1014er offers, must one practically the double spend. That applies however not only to the sound, but also to the processing: With exception of the mickrigen microphone for very well working MCACC measuring the Pioneer refers all contractors with clear projection/lead to the places. It works like correct small bolide, because each detail is made high-quality and provides for the impression of gediegener longevity. Even at one point, at which nearly everything saves very gladly, Pioneer draws from the full one: The provided remote maintenance is so high-quality that one does not find comparable even with some to 1,500 EUR equipment. Altogether it might be extremely difficult for each competitor, that tries, to push the VSX-1014 from the throne to - Pioneer landed a direct hit with this AV aV-Receiver, as he occurs in this quality at excellent companies only every few equipment generations once. Therefore the Pioneer earns a particularly high test honor within the preisklasse to 1,000 EUR: He gets earns the reference descriptor in his price league, because the exzellente VSX-1014 sovereign beats also the far more expensive devices.


    Pro: * Optimum cost-performance ratio * Level firmness on the level of by far higher preisklassen * Far above average dynamics and precision during the effect rendition * More pressure-fully, graduated and voluminoeser bass differentiates * Freely more up easily, more transparently and finely dissolving high clay/tone range * For the money optimal processing * Very simple operation * Very good DSP programs * Simple handling Versus:

    Con microphone

    Mittelklasse bis 1.000 EUR

    1. Pioneer VSX-1014
    2. Yamaha RX-V1500
    3. Denon AVR-2805
    4. Pioneer A3X
    5. Marantz SR7400
     
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    Yes, the germans always do have an interesting take on what sounds good. Not really a surprise they liked the 1014, great amp, bit bright, but otherwise, very very good. Slightly brighter amps tend to be the favoured ones in good old deutschland. Surprised they rated it higher than the RXV1500 or the AX3 though. I find the other amps a little too 'in your face'.

    Anything in that top 5 would be a great buy, all depends on what kind of sound you prefer. I think here in blighty the preference in most mags is to a slightly warmer sound.

    As a movie machine, the 1014 is very good, but I think the RXV1500 is better, the 2805 is more a middle of the road amp, great for movies and not too bad with music, whereas the SR7400 moves even further across the scale and is great with movies but also with music.

    I think the amp ratings on the 1014 are a little optimistic though, it didn't sound as powerful as the Yammy. I'd still say that if you want a good balance between music and movies, the SR7400/SR7500 is the best buy. If you don't care about music at all, then the 2014 or Yamaha RXV1500 (or RXV2500) should be on your shortlist.

    To be honest, the best way to decide is to listen to them all, take some music that you know, and some DVD's, and demo as many as you can side by side, let yours ears be the judge.
     
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    Word has it that the 7500 closes the perceived gap in the film performance that the marantz designs have had to boost their music performance. This is in part down to the THX processing which leads to a more capable amp than previously. Certainly the marantz reps that have heard them have been grinning like cheshire cats of late.
     
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    Hmmm not sure about that, however everyone's opinion is different!
     
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    Anyone know when it's coming out?
     
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    Should be very soon, I would say within the next 3-4 weeks
     
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    Cool! Does anyone know whether these will be at the Bristol Show in February?
     
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    The 1014TX is measured at 115 watts per channel 5 channels driven. Fabulous perfomance. The 1500 managed 47.

    • Five channels driven into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 115.3 watts; 1% distortion at 129.7 watts

    • Analog frequency response in direct mode: –0.17 dB at 10 Hz; –0.06 dB at 20 Hz; –0.21 dB at 20 kHz; –1.21 dB at 50 kHz.

    • Analog frequency response with signal processing: –0.17 dB at 10 Hz; –0.06 dB at 20 Hz; –0.21 dB at 20 kHz; –1.21 dB at 50 kHz.
     
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    Are these your measurements or the magazines, to be honest, the figures you have quoted have made me even more sceptical about that review, to think the RXV1500 only managed 47watts from its quoted 120watts RMS tells me either the reviewers fiddled the figures, or the amp was faulty, or maybe even Yamaha are lying about their amp :eek:

    I always say, the best way to decide is to listen to the amps yourself, everybody has different tastes. I personally like Pioneer gear, (see my DVD player in my signature), but I'm always sceptical when a reviewer makes sweeping statements such as is evident in the review you posted, and even more so when the figures for the Yammy seem so far off the mark. To be brutally honest, the amplifiers mentioned in that top 5 are very close in performance, and any one of them would do their owners proud.

    Just follow the golden rule and use your own ears, not just what you read on paper.
     
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    Measured in The perfectvision and Sound and Vision. The 2400 only managed 43 X 5.

    http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/104yam/index1.html

    his graph shows that the RX-V2400's left channel, from CD input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, reaches 0.1% distortion at 102.9 watts and 1% distortion at 130.5 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1% distortion at 158.4 watts and 1% distortion at 195.3 watts. With five channels driving 8-ohm loads, the amplifier reaches 0.1% distortion at 43.5 watts and 1% distortion at 44.1 watts. With seven channels driving 8-ohm loads, the amplifier reaches 0.1% distortion at 32.3 watts and 1% distortion at 36.9 watts.

    AreaDVD is brutally honest and tend to have many more negative reviews than positive. They did like the 1400 and 7400 but thought the 1014TX to be quite a bit better in every way. Going from a 1400 to the 1014 was a huge leap for me.
     
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    Is the TX the same model as this: http://www.avland.co.uk/pioneer/vsx1014/vsx1014.htm

    Or is the TX a higher end model?

    Those figures are mighty interesting, might have to arrange an extended listening period with the new pioneers. If those figures on the 1500 are true and accurate, it is quite dissappointing, I still say the best judge is oneself, and always buy after you have listened.
     
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    That's the one. The exact same as the 52TX internally. Really does trounce everything at or near it's price.
     
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    Possibly but the AX3 (which I own so I'm not conciously setting out to bash it) has a fairly severe drop in output as well when connected to our test bench. The trick is in finding the Pioneers weak point is to keep the test going for longer than the statutory five minutes or so. I don't pretend to be an expert but I think that Pioneer set the amp to deliver a staggering output for long enough to demolish the competition before settling to similar levels.
    I love my Pio but it doesn't have any witchcraft in it- you can't build an amp without flaws until you throw a lot more money at the problem.
     
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    I went from a 53TX, the same as yours, to the 1014TX and it was an upgrade in every way possible. I loved the 53 but the 1014 was so much more powerful, detailed and soundstaged so much better. Pioneer made huge changes to their MOSFET output stages this year.
     
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    Well we're testing one sooner or later so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I'm not convinced personally ;).
     
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    Soon you will be.
     
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    Do you work for Pioneer by any chance? ;)
     
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    Hahaha nope but I've been lucky enough to have owned most of the usual suspects.
     
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    Fair enough. :)
     
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    If the 1014 really managed 115 watts per channel with 5 driven then it would slaughter the much higher priced AX5ai.:eek: Dont think Pioneer would shoot themselves in the foot that badly would they??
     
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    It did. They did.
     

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