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Marantz 12S3

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by bamber, Jan 7, 2004.

  1. bamber

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    I currently use a Pioneer 503MXE plasma screen and want to add a projector and motorised screen.

    I have recently completed the audio side of my system with a set of B&W Nautilus 800s. Audio has always been more important to me than video, so I don't know much about projectors.

    As you can tell from the title, the Marantz DLP is currently top of my list. I haven’t actually demoed any yet and am just compiling a shortlist from online research and reviews.

    I've definitely ruled out CRT due to the problems some members have encountered with support etc.

    I know that lamps will last an average of 2000 hours are there any other parts that require replacing or maintenance?

    I know that my plasma will typically last at least ten years, what is the average life expectancy of a projector?

    Can you recommend a 8' plus white motorised screen?
     
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    the lifetime of a projector is probably better stated in terms of how long it takes to become an obselete item as opposed to the time it takes to kill off anything beyond the lamps. Id give it 5 years, in that time, something better will be available in the low budget arena. So 5 year lifetime i reckon

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    Thanks ad

    I noticed that you recently purchased a Sanyo Z2 and seem reasonably happy with it. Given that the Marantz costs around £7000.00 and in five years it will be next to worthless. Would I be better spending 2-3K on a LCD and upgrading as and when newer models appear.

    Gaz
     
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    Hi Gaz
    With audio(with a few exceptions!), it normally follows "the more you spend the better it sounds".

    I've found with front projection it's "the more you spend the less artifacts/faults will bother you".

    With everything being shown on a much larger screen, faults are more obvious. You need to find a projector where these artifacts a livable etc.

    Also, each front display technology has it's own short comings.

    LCD can suffer from vertical banding, screen pixelation(screendoor), colour uniformity problems, and last but not least grey(ish) blacks.
    But has great colours, can look stunning when viewed from the right distance and is the cheaper of the main options.

    DLP can suffer from a colour fringing effect(rainbows), not as bright as some LCDs and although blacks are near perfect not as good as CRT.

    L-cos/D-ila can suffer colour uniformity issues and has poor blacks/contrast.
    But in nearly all other areas are great.

    Unless you know a ground breaking projector was just about to be released, there is no point buying cheap now and then waiting two/three years for a better machine.
    All that would happen is, you would spend two/three grumbling about your cheapie PJs short comings instead of enjoying your films.

    I was going to wait for the new Sony SXRD, but the price is frankly silly. And there will surely be a cheaper version out some months later, that i have no doubts will have better contrast or something!

    So i decided on the Marantz S3, even though i did see rainbows on other DLPs.
    It has high contrast and a fantastic black level. Zero vertical banding and screendoor is a non issue from more than 1x screen width.
    It almost make me cry when a good scene comes on, as it looks so stunning!
    I have seen a rainbow flash now and again, but this has mainly been on white on black backgrounds etc. With a picture this good, they are simply not an issue!

    Buying cheap in this area is a false economy, even as you say if audio is more important to you.

    I started with LCD(Tosh MT1-Sony10HT), then went to CRT(Barco808s), yet the S3 is the best projector so far as it doesn't do anything to annoy me!

    Be very careful when deciding:smashin:
     
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    OWL make top notch electric screens that can be IR, manual switch or trigger activated.
    As for PJ upgrading over time i think Messiah is the manto ask!
     
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    well my idea is to have my lowish end machine and then upgrade regularly in small steps, i figure this is the best way to scale the projector ladder without losing a fortune. As soon as you settle for a machine, it is going to lose money sharpish. At the moment, I would probably move in at the nec ht100 (and anamorphic lens) or benq 8700 kind of level (pretty much the 2/3k you suggest).

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    As with PCs, I find it's always best (for me) to stay one step behind the "latest and greatest": HD2+ is this week's latest, so I bought a HD2 at a bargain price, and £3k less than the Marantz S3 I was also looking at.
     
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    Buns is right, I started with reasonable LCD and then saw the light and stepped up to DLP (The NEC HT1000).

    The difference between the two (in my opinion) is light years. If you have no rainbow problems it is the way to go.

    The Benq is also supposed to be excellent, but I hear fan noise is a bit of an issue. The Optima H56 has similar specs and picture to the NEC and is the cheapest of the 3 mentioned here.

    You'd lose less by going with one of these and they will BLOW you away over your Plasma.

    However from everything I've heard the S3 is awesome and the machine I'd have if I had that much spare cash!

    Cheers
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    you can buy them with modified fan (well you can if you buy from avs.....)

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    I know there is a fix for the Benq on changing how quickly it speeds up and slows which reduces a lot of the issues. But doesn't actually change the maximum noise output.

    Are you saying there are some with modifed/different fans?

    Not that it matters to me, I'm sorted and VERY happy with my NEC.

    Cheers
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    Thanks chaps, exactly the sort of information I was looking for. :)

    I will try to demo the models mentioned above although in NI it isn't always possible.:(
     
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    uczmeg:

    I dont know, but i know that avs do a 'modified fan' on the 8700, whatever that means. in anycase, the point is a bit moot because there is the 8710 with HD+ soon to be released which i gather has lower fan intrusion.

    gazza,

    I know what you mean about the demoing, i certainly never do it because no one will acknowledge budget machines. Most tell me not to even bother if im not spending over 5k. I suspect at the high end you can (ie the ove 5k) but you will probably be paying over the odds. If spending a reasonable whack, it might be a good idea to take a cheap flight over to the mainland and get a good half day demo somewhere

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    Buns the trip to the mainland is a very good idea. I'm occasionally over with customers but never have time for anything else.

    Are there any upcoming av events which I could attend while I'm over? I might as well stay over a couple of days and do a NicolasB.:laugh:
     
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    There might be a show or something, but no 'events' i know about.

    You would be welcome to come and see what a z2 looks like.... well you will be once i get back from a couple of work trips..... so in early feb i'll be about if you fancy seeing what you are in for.....

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    Thanks ad

    Will try and setup some demos in London. If I don't get a chance to see a Z2 I might take you up on your kind offer.

    Regards

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    "there is the 8710 with HD+ soon to be released which i gather has lower fan intrusion " - buns

    Could you tell me where you got this information from ? I'm planning on getting an 8700 but would like to know whats changed (for sure) in addition to HD2+ with the 8710.

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    Hi buns,

    Thanks for the link. I had seen that thread but at this point in time only the change to HD2+ seems to be known for sure. If I was to hazard a guess, it will be the same as the current projector except for the HD2+ chip. Colour wheel, lens, throw, etc. will all be unchanged. Available in 2 to 3 months time, retail price £3,999.

    Allan
     
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    oh sorry Alan...... I would hope that there was a bit more change to it, but you could well be right. In any case, wouldnt you be wise to wait til it arrives and pushes down the 8700 price?

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    Yes, I should wait really to see if the price of the outgoing model drops but I'm currently projector-less. It may not drop much more, it's already much cheaper than any other HD2 projector.

    What would make me rethink would be if the new model changed to a 7 segment colour wheel and had a significant increase in CR.

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    BenQ will be introducing the PE8710 Digital Home Theater Projector
    (MSRP: $6,999), a new digital home theater projector with the HD2+
    DLP chipset. Featuring a new generation optical engine, 7-segment
    color wheel, 2500:1 contrast ratio at 900 ANSI lumens, a 300HZ
    refresh rate and 30dB audible noise level, it has a native 16:9
    resolution at 1024 x 768 and is HDTV compatible.

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    1024x768? That isn't 16:9 is it? It's XGA isn't it?

    Otherwise it sounds quite nice!
     
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    buns,

    That makes it a difficult choice for me. I'm going to predict a UK retail price of £4,499 when it appears.

    It boils down to this:

    - £3,179 for HD2 now, whilst stocks last, or
    - £4,499 for HD2+ & improved spec in a few months time.

    Allan
     
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    oh i didnt look closely..... that was a cut and paste from avs...... its 1280x720 as far as i know

    It is a tough decision as to which to get, i havent seen and HD2 so i wouldnt know how good it is and whether it needs improvement to keep me happy!

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    I just reread my previous post, and it comes across a little "elitist".
    What i should have said was if you "have" the budget for a better projector, then it's best not to skimp etc.;)
    I have been down this road myself, and now realise buying something "to do" is not always the best option.

    The Benq 8700 is stunning for the money, and if the budget doesn't stretch that far, the NEC HT1(1)000 would be my next choice.

    Paul :)
     
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    See what I mean - they've gone and released a HD3 chip...

     
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    I didn't think HD3 was going to be released yet - where'd you see that mentioned?

    There isn't a great deal of improvement between HD2 and HD2+ IIRC, so the HD2 pj will be a real steal now..

    Cheers

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    surely the hd3 is only anounced on samsung rptv yet?

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    Only had a quick read over on AVS - maybe I got the wrong end of the stick?
     
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    Got a link?

    Might be a stick we'd all like a look at. :)

    Gary.
     

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