Manhattan T3-R

GrumpyOldLadyc

Novice Member
I recently purchased a T3-R and am very happy with it apart from one niggle. When recording a film some channels will record the said film in 2 parts because there is a 5min or so channel update on latest news, films etc. It doesn't record this "update" but puts the film into 2 parts. This is my 3rd ever freeview recorder (first Manhattan) and I've never had this before. Manhattan says it is a broadcaster issue and nothing they can do. Maybe I should have stuck with Panasonic. Anybody else have this issue?
 

Rodders53

Distinguished Member
I recently purchased a T3-R and am very happy with it apart from one niggle. When recording a film some channels will record the said film in 2 parts because there is a 5min or so channel update on latest news, films etc. It doesn't record this "update" but puts the film into 2 parts. This is my 3rd ever freeview recorder (first Manhattan) and I've never had this before. Manhattan says it is a broadcaster issue and nothing they can do. Maybe I should have stuck with Panasonic. Anybody else have this issue?
While it might not be ideal, at least it gets all the film. Early (PDC) recorders often failed to do the second part!

That both bits record and the 'intermission' event doesn't proves the broadcaster has got the Accurate Record CRIDs and event flags spot on.

I'd expect, if I ever recorded such a film, for both parts to be placed in one 'folder' on my Humax. I'd not expect the two to be joined as (effectively) one single TS file. I can't recall ever recording one... certainly not recently, so can't be sure.

But no - how the PVR handles, labels and files the split-parter is entirely down to how the manufacturers interpret the specification and decide to implement it.
 

Richardxx

Well-known Member
If I recall correctly my Humax 5000 produced 2 separate files but played the 2nd part automatically when part 1 finished. The T3-R puts the two files in one folder, with no auto start, but it is just a matter of stopping one and starting the second, not a deal breaker for me but we all have different prorities.
 

Clem_Dye

Distinguished Member
My Panasonic records in two parts. Haven’t seen this on my T3-R yet. The software in the Humax box is perhaps a little more smart when it comes to this sort of thing. Why not contact Manhattan to see what they say?
 

GrumpyOldLadyc

Novice Member
My Panasonic records in two parts. Haven’t seen this on my T3-R yet. The software in the Humax box is perhaps a little more smart when it comes to this sort of thing. Why not contact Manhattan to see what they say?
Hi. Manhatta say its down to the broadcasters and nothing they can do. Thanks for your reply.
 

GrumpyOldLadyc

Novice Member
If I recall correctly my Humax 5000 produced 2 separate files but played the 2nd part automatically when part 1 finished. The T3-R puts the two files in one folder, with no auto start, but it is just a matter of stopping one and starting the second, not a deal breaker for me but we all have different prorities.
While it might not be ideal, at least it gets all the film. Early (PDC) recorders often failed to do the second part!

That both bits record and the 'intermission' event doesn't proves the broadcaster has got the Accurate Record CRIDs and event flags spot on.

I'd expect, if I ever recorded such a film, for both parts to be placed in one 'folder' on my Humax. I'd not expect the two to be joined as (effectively) one single TS file. I can't recall ever recording one... certainly not recently, so can't be sure.

But no - how the PVR handles, labels and files the split-parter is entirely down to how the manufacturers interpret the specification and decide to implement it.
Interesting, thanks for the reply.
 

Clem_Dye

Distinguished Member
That might be true, but if Humax kit can combine the bits, or at least play a split recording seamlessly, why not Manhattan? I’d go back to them and point this out, and request that they consider it in a future firmware update. No harm in asking!
 

Richardxx

Well-known Member
That might be true, but if Humax kit can combine the bits, or at least play a split recording seamlessly, why not Manhattan? I’d go back to them and point this out, and request that they consider it in a future firmware update. No harm in asking!
Good question. Although in practise the Humax 5000 was so slow at doing anything else it was a small +
 

oxonjeff

Active Member
It would be handy if the T3R had the option to record 5 mins ahead and 5 mins after recording. I've found that with 2 part films, with a news update inbetween, that the first half had part of the recording at the end cut short. At least my flaky Humax FOX T2 had this option to override the signal from the TV programme signal by a few minutes at start or end.

There are a few quirks that the T3R also has that dont make sense. Like deleting a previous recording by having to hit the record button and then getting the option to delete. Strange.

It does some things a lot better than my Fox T2 HDR but some things are worse. I thought the T3R would be a much better machine than the Humax. Its not. Its just different
 

Clem_Dye

Distinguished Member
I’ve sent a list of the annoying quirks/defects that I’ve found with my T3-R to Manhattan, and some they’ve already agreed to fix in future firmware releases. Drop them an email with your concerns to see what they say.

All PVRs have quirks, but by and large, having got used to them now I have to say that I don’t really notice. The only thing that I’ve missed recently is some sort of EPG search facility. If you look elsewhere in this forum I’ve posted my list of grumbles. I can re-post them if anyone is interested.
 

oxonjeff

Active Member
Agreed about the quirks. They all have them as you say. My Humax Foxsat HDR ( much more stable than the Fox T2 HDR which freezes randomly ) has the odd thing of subtitles coming up on screen when live TV was paused and then re-started. I have to press the exit button to get rid of the subs. Weird !

Whats surprising is that no forward thinking designers have looked at competitors boxes and simply designed out the flaky bits, and build a brilliant machine.
 

Rodders53

Distinguished Member
It would be handy if the T3R had the option to record 5 mins ahead and 5 mins after recording. I've found that with 2 part films, with a news update inbetween, that the first half had part of the recording at the end cut short.
That's a :censored: mistake by the Broadcaster. Complain to them.

(Channel 5 aren't especially good anyway, with AR and they often do split Films)?

Possibly transmitted using Scheduled Clock Time for those events rather than Accurate playout time? No real excuse it's not rocket science - assuming no other simultaneous recordings were happening around the same time (as that's when PVR maker's mess with the priorities of the events).
 

oxonjeff

Active Member
Funnily enough Rodders, there is the option to pad timed recordings by 5 mins start and end, i just didnt check settings menu properly, so i have set padding now
 

oxonjeff

Active Member
I'd quite like to see a red light ( recording something ) on the outside of the T3R , just like my 2 Humax boxes do. Sometimes i've forgotten that i set timed recording ( or even instant recording ) and have to check the menu. Its not a biggie though it would be handy
 

Clem_Dye

Distinguished Member
I flagged this with Manhattan. The current hardware can’t be made to do more with the front panel LED.
 

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