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Man on Mars?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Miyazaki, May 19, 2005.

  1. Miyazaki

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    With news in recent years of water ice at both poles of Mars, and further recent news of "perma-frost" near Mars' equator, is it now time to send men/women to Mars to explore it further, and continue the search for life, past or present, on Mars?

    IMHO it is a shame that our ambitions, as the human race, to explore have been vastly diminished since the 1970s
     
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    That's because it was all a conspiracy and man never actually got to the moon !

    ;)
     
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    Considering the vast amounts of money that such a mission would cost I would prefer to see it spent on more local scientific enterprises. The price involved would be astronomical ( :laugh: ) and would easily be enough to bring much of the world up to utopian standards of living. Once we've achieved that I would love to see humans exploring space further. :)
     
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    but what would pumping billions into africa achieve? It would be siphoned off by the likes of mugabe to fund further genocide. If it didn't africa would end up in a worse state with overpopulation and all the environmental effects that would bring such as mass deforestation, extinction, furthering of the greenhouse effect etc.

    I'm not sure whether it is money they need as much as lessons on contraception, and money to fund education in africa. I can't see a world population of 20 billion anything approaching utopia.
     
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    Perhaps I exaggerated a little, but I think that quantities of money and resources like that could be better used elsewhere. :)
     
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    You mean....

    Mission to Mars and Red Planet are fake........

    Sob...PJ :)
     
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    What for?
     
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    Because it's there?
     
  9. Miyazaki

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    How many people said that to Captain Cook or Christopher Columbus?
     
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    The cost is certainly prohibitive, but my understanding is that the main issue at the moment is that it would be a one way journey for the people in the spaceship.
     
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    Okay, lets get this out of the way now :lesson:

    Ahem (clears throat).

    How about a trip to Uranus................................................ :rolleyes:

    Someone had to do it :smashin:
     
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    Master Rahl will take you up on that :eek:
     
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    Ahhhh the difference is that the captain cook / christopher columbus trip to mars has already been done....the only difference being that we sent robots/machines this time with Viking and subsequent missions.
     
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    Don't worry guys... some American will eventually do it. ;)
     
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    and we already know that Mars is there. :)
     
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    ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...........


    That was the point completely missing you mate.
     
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    If I was in charge I would send some fuel tanks on a slow trip to Mars ready to fuel a return flight a few years later
     
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    Well i can't see the point in spending millions to send astronauts to Mars to possibly drill in to some ice to possibly find some cells that scientists can class as life. A job which can probably be done by robots anyway.

    I am convinced that these scientists make make the most of, and exaggerate findings to justify further funding.

    Until we develope new systems of propulsion manned space should probably be a no go outside of the immediate vicinity of planet earth.
     
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    Well Games Guru - I'm with you on this one :smashin: I think its important to continue to explore space and the possibilities out there, not only for the possibility of life there or living there but also to help us understand our existance more. Who knows how this might help us in the future - where would we be if we still thought the world was flat and that gravity didn't exist.... Understanding whats out there, the universe and how we interact with it could help us in so many ways.

    Mind you I think that this exploration is still going on, its just the media tend to concentrate on other things nowadays for their front page news. I'm not really into it (although the subject fascinates me) but I think there's a 4yr voyage around Saturn at the moment??? Cassini or something :confused:
     
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    Ahhhh, but should this be manned exploration?
     
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    It's the next big step towards the stars and has to be done IMHO. I hope to see it in my lifetime.

    RDB :)
     
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    If mankind found the funding, made the ship, found a person stupid enough to go and the mission was a success, a few months later life would go on and people would just get on with their lives as if it had never happened.

    The difference with the Moon mission is that the Moon is such a bigger part of our lives, we see it in the sky all the time, think about it, romantisize about it, make movies (werewolves, vampires, etc) that feature it, where as Mars is just another pin prick in the sky and instantly forgettable. Leave Mars to the Scientists I say.

    Remember Total Recall anyone?
     
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    We need to sort things out down here first.
    As for America ....maybe they should concentrate on finishing the ISS first instead of leaving it to the Russians.
     
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    But we've always needed to sort things out down here first. Look at when Newton published Principia in 1687 - considered to be the greatest scientific book ever written. It examined the planets, gravity of the moon and the sun, the orbits of comets and all those things that are to do with stuff thats far away....and he did it only 20 years after the plague, at a time when you could have argued he would have been better to use his brains to sort out plumbing and how to catch rats. But where would we be now without his ideas and theories??

    We need all sorts of people - those who give time and effort in sorting out the problems of here and now, but also those who look towards the future and who imagine possibilities that the rest of us can't even comprehend.

    The moon or mars is the last place I would like to fly to - I prefer the Maldives :D but I have the greatest admiration for those who want to. And long may they continue to want to do so.
     
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    Smelly, that's hardly fair considering it's horses for courses. Newton was the foundation of modern science and maths - much of his work was a success because he developed calculus before anyone else. Amongst others, Kepler, Plato, Pythagoras and so on did much of the groundwork for astronomical orbits which Newton built upon.

    I'm a physicist myself, that doesn't mean I can transfer my own meagre talent to biology, chemistry or even astrophysics or similar. It's just too big a subject area. :)
     
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    All I'm saying is that he looked beyond what was here and now - he looked out into the unknown. In the context of the original post - should we send people to Mars - then yes! We should keep looking to explore, and question, and discover. Its part of human nature and its whats got us where we are today.

    PS:Having said that all I ever question is why haven't I got enough money and why am I not 5'10'' :D
     
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    I think that it's a good idea, then we can get rid of the chav scum.
     
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    Ah now thats a totally different question - there's loads of people I can think of sending up there :D
     
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    I think that statement is a bit misleading. There were many mathematicians of Newton's time developing new forms of the calculus: Barrow, Wallis, de Fermat and Descartes to name but a few. The most notable, perhaps was Leibniz, who actually published his calculus before Newton, using a different notation to Newton's, but which has since been universally adopted. The disagreement about who developed the modern notion of the calculus is still not settled, but has been diplomatically called a draw. In fact, so bitter was the debate that Leibniz's superior notation was not adopted by English speaking mathematicians until the 19th century.
    What set Newton apart was his development of theories of motion and gravity. The calculus was merely a mathematical tool he used. Others had the same access to the calculus but did not develop such eleqouent theories. Newton's genius is quite clearly his theories, not his use of calculus.
    And I agree with smelly. Perhaps if Newton hadn't wasted half his life dabbling with Alchemy and turned his mind to other matters, his legacy may have been even greater than it already is.
     
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    I think we should ask Marianne Faithful to partake in any future Mars probes ;)
     

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