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Make Poverty History

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by smelly, May 24, 2005.

  1. smelly

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    I'm certain that some people may feel this is a waste of time or that its simply not possible to achive. Some people may feel that there will always be poverty or that to try and rid it is to change the natural balance of the world which will create more problems.

    But for those that want to try....here is the site to visit to add your name to the list and for more information on how you can help.

    Make Poverty History
     
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    yep, a huge waste of time until these countries learn to help themselves by making significant changes to their political systems. Political corruption and military ambition has kept most of these countries in the poverty trap.

    I do not want a penny of my tax money going to pay for more tanks for African dictators or to pay for their wives to have 3000 pairs of shoes.

    I also get irritated by the celebrities who jump on this bandwagon and preach to us that we should give more - whilst returning to one of their many multi million pound homes....ie Mr Bono.
     
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    Oh I so wish I'd laid money on your response :D

    Yes the political systems in these countries need change and yes we can't guarantee some of the money doesn't go astray. But I just can't sit back and do nothing. If I was in their position I would be praying every day for someone in my position to help.

    And as for the irritating celebrities that jump on the band wagon....well Geldof has my respect, he's given a lot of time, money and energy towards this over the last 20 yrs. Bono? Can't comment as I don't know any details. But I don't really care about them. I'm not interested in them or what they are doing, I'm interested in seeing whether anything can be done to help the people dying out there.
     
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    The Barefoot college is the answer, they come up with practical solutions, such as using the enviroment to make villages totally self sufficent, and then training the villagers in the maintainance, their website is very interesting, I agree though, throwing money is not always the answer.

    http://www.barefootcollege.org/
     
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    Of course its not a waste of time.One of the first things our Governmnmets should be doing is removing third world debt. It is ridiculous that these countries should be growing cash crops in order to service debt whilst thousands of their people are starving.We should also put pressure to remove tyrants such as Mugabe and help to instil proper democracies.Then properly controlled aid should be put in place.
    The do "nothing brigade" will always adopt their negative attitude as they never want to do anything to help their fellow man.
     
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    I would certainly not be in the do nothing brigade - however, I reject the demand that we cancel ALL debt and give these countries a clear bank balance again without any new rules and with the old leaders.

    Till then my charity money will go to local charities.
     
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    I'd rather give money, and i do, to animal charities.
     
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    There will always be someone poorer and someone richer !

    Unless the world is changed to a system where everybody owns the same and earns the same and where humans don't give in to corruption ( :rotfl: yeah right !) it will stay that way.

    The only thing we can do is change standards: maybe in the futur the poorest will be the ones who have a house, food on the table and a car while the richest will travel the world in 10 minutes using space flights and own their own planet.

    In the meantime, teaching the starving countries how to work their own way out of starvation is way better than sending them powder milk during summer drought (and that happened before !)
     
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    If you have a look on the website its not just asking for money, although I doubt they would turn you down if you offered :D

    They are primarily looking for signatures (via email) to support what they are asking at the G8 summit, to ask not only for the debt to be dropped, but also for the trade rules to allow more money to go to those who need it, and to improve aid so that people get what they need. As I said though, I understand that not everyone agrees I was just posting the website for those that are but maybe didn't know about the site.

    As for donating money to local charities - thats fab and long may you continue :clap: :clap:
     
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    very true. Poor Laws throughout history have redefined poverty as a relative issue; therefore the attempt to make poverty history is idealistic nonsense and their plans do not even begin to address the intrinsic faults within these countries themselves.
     
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    Of course there will always be those who have less than ohters but to simply turn ones back on thousands who dont have enough food to eat or enough clothes to wear or a roof over their heads is morally repugnant especially if they are children.To support animal charities is all very well but to put them above children in impoortasnce beggars belief.


    How is a country supposed to get out of extreme poverty if all its doing is servicing a debt? Get rid of the debt and let them start afresh at the same time ensuring their leadership is bonafide and show that corruption and tyrany will no longer be tolerated.
     
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    agreed, but there is no mention of this on the 'make poverty history' website, they prefer to blame the west and the G8 countries in particular.
     
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    How do you do that? March in there with troops, kick out the curent leader and then install your own puppet government?

    Yeah, that always goes down a treat in the Third World. :rolleyes:
     
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    We have enough children, the population is big enough, and there isn't the world resources for any more.

    Whereas many species are close to extinction, and need help.
     
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    Not to mention that children are equally as cruel to animals as adults can be. Animals are far more trusting too. I've also never seen any animal commit acts of war or cruelty on such a wide scale as humans have.

    For such an "advanced" species, we can be very barbaric.
     
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    Aren't there some species of ants that invade termite mounds and then keep the termites hostage, making them feed and care for the invaders young?

    Or was that a cartoon about ants that I saw? :confused:
     
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    Not at the barrel of a gun I'd assume ? Even if that were true (going by your confused smiley) - In the context of my quote, it's hardly "wide scale" (not exactly the holocaust for example?)
     
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    so you're happy with kids starving? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
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    Heard of Iraq?
     
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    Yep, about time people realised that parts of the world are not suitable for human population.
     
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    What if HeRts became A DESERT TOMMORROW AND WE WERE TO JUST IGNORE YOU.
     
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    Holy sugar man! Are you suggesting we need more Operation Desert Shields???? :eek:
     
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    But you see that would never happen. Just like in Africa in the 50-60's, the rest of the UK/Europe would band together and send Aid. They'd loan Herts the money to get themselves back on their feet. Just like they did for the Africans.

    The difference is that 30 years from now Herts wouldn't have spent the money on tanks, palaces and shoes. They wouldn't use nepotism to choose their cabinet or corruption to run their budgets. The'd build industry and grow large crops (drought depending - greenhousesd and irrigation schemes anyone?) to feed their population. Herts would also have a plan to pay back that debt instead of whining that they now can't afford it, because they wasted the chance the first time round.

    Knowingly committing bad management should not be an excuse to throw away outstanding debts.
     
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    Unlikely, and Africa has always been a baran country!
     
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    I thought it was rich in minerals?
     
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    nonsense........countries like Zimbabwe used to export food, now under really bad management it has the majority of its population starving and in need of support.
     
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    Known as the breadbasket of Africa and ruined by a despot wikth the rest of the continent just looking on
     
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    It has been suggested trhat new Empire should be formed in Africa with the Uk and Usa at the helm
     
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    Whats that, 1 country in how many in Africa?

    True they have diamond mines, and other valuable jewels, but the land is not able to sustain a huge population. And the bigger the population, the worse the problem is going to get.

    Irregular rain, blistering hot sunshine, etc etc
     

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