Thanks Steve, certainly goes to show the limitations of the JVC in-built tone mapping, whilst clearly better than not having one, it can’t compare to an external dedicated processor.
I’ll be interested to know if the 10/10 score remains once you test the new lumagen 5348, pretty much everyone who has run them side by side has clearly preferred the lumagen, plus is has added benefits of producing better quality audio. It’s also around £6k cheaper
Thanks Steve, certainly goes to show the limitations of the JVC in-built tone mapping, whilst clearly better than not having one, it can’t compare to an external dedicated processor.
That's not the conclusion I came to after testing the Envy. Personally I think the HDR performance of the JVCs is awesome, and definitely superior to any other projector manufacturer. There's very little difference with 1000 nits content, which covers the majority of HDR content, and while the Envy does handle 4000 and 10000 nits content better, the images I used in the review are especially difficult to tone map, and the difference isn't as obvious with less demanding material. It's also worth remembering that since the 'cheapest' Envy costs more than the JVC N7, the law of diminishing returns quickly applies.Yup! Totally agreed. Although JVC are the holy grail in PJ-world for actually offering DTM, it feels like their offers are very mild in comparison to the dedicated solutions.
I did ask for a Lumagen to review at the same time, but since they didn't provide one, I can't really comment on its performance.I’ll be interested to know if the 10/10 score remains once you test the new lumagen 5348, pretty much everyone who has run them side by side has clearly preferred the lumagen, plus is has added benefits of producing better quality audio. It’s also around £6k cheaper
Great review and the Envy is a great unit for sure!I did ask for a Lumagen to review at the same time, but since they didn't provide one, I can't really comment on its performance.
My review, my decision – take it or leave it. I hear the Lumagen is a nightmare to set up, with an interface that looks very dated. The Envy is incredibly easy to set up (almost plug and play), despite its sophistication. But as you mention, the Lumagen is significantly cheaper, and would definitely be easier to fit in my equipment rack!Great review and the Envy is a great unit for sure!
Yet I find it strange you label it ‘best in class’ without testing/comparing it against the competition.
Hope you get a review unit soon to make a comparison, especially at 1/3 of the price of a Envy Extreme the Lumagen is an absolute bargain and very easy and straightforward to use (once setup correctly)
I agree on the price, shame you haven’t tried the superior tone mapping on the lumagen. 2nd hand price on the 42xx series is around £3k which seems like a comparative bargain.That's not the conclusion I came to after testing the Envy. Personally I think the HDR performance of the JVCs is awesome, and definitely superior to any other projector manufacturer. There's very little difference with 1000 nits content, which covers the majority of HDR content, and while the Envy does handle 4000 and 10000 nits content better, the images I used in the review are especially difficult to tone map, and the difference isn't as obvious with less demanding material. It's also worth remembering that since the 'cheapest' Envy costs more than the JVC N7, the law of diminishing returns quickly applies.
Well there's always the Best Buy badge if Lumagen ever bother to send me a review sample.I agree on the price, shame you haven’t tried the superior tone mapping on the lumagen. 2nd hand price on the 42xx series is around £3k which seems like a comparative bargain.
The 5348 is a step up again.
Might be your review, but as @PascalP has mentioned, you can’t call it best in class when you haven’t tested anything else. Fact is, it isn’t best in class, numerous comparisons tell us so.
I think “Best Buy” is a bit derogatory tbh, you haven’t even tried the tone mapping on the lumagen yet make comments like this? Maybe you should do a bit more research before making such statements?? I know people that have swapped out the madVR for a number of reasons and moved over to Lumagen, yet don’t know anyone else who has gone the other way, maybe you do??Well there's always the Best Buy badge if Lumagen ever bother to send me a review sample.
No it isn't, it means exceptional performance at an unrivalled price. Anyway, this thread is specifically about the Envy, if you want to argue about whether one is better than the other, there's already a thread for that.I think “Best Buy” is a bit derogatory
ding dingIf you have a local ripped library and Kodi along with a very good (preferably nvidia) graphics card the results can be stunning and rewarding.
Can you tell me if you build this yourself which HDMI input card you'd put in this to allow you to play non-PC based HDCP commpliant HDMI sources? As far as I know they dinb't exist and that's part of the USP, along with the fact it's different software to the free version. If you can tinker and don't mind limiting what can be played on your PC then fine..What a cracking read. Thanks Steve for this huge undertaking. As a Lumagen guy myself 'ease of use' seems to be the only USP here.
This is a PC. With that being the case, the price is beyond absurd. I build PCs both for fun and by commission, and to justify that price there would have to be 8-10 RTX 3090s in there. I doubt there's even one, with the Extreme looking to be rocking an RTX 3080. And a 6-core CPU? I mean. We're looking at a £1500 PC here. For 10x the price. I personally would have given this a 4/10 irrelevant of how it performs based on the temerity of that price point.
I cannot think of any justification for the insanity of where this is priced. It's just lunacy.
Any decent videocard along with the right software would do the job. The way I see it, this is a software issue. And 'We solved one sticky engineering problem' does not justify a 10x pricepoint. IMO. YMMV.Can you tell me if you build this yourself which HDMI input card you'd put in this to allow you to play non-PC based HDCP commpliant HDMI sources? As far as I know they dinb't exist and that's part of the USP, along with the fact it's different software to the free version. If you can tinker and don't mind limiting what can be played on your PC then fine..
Be very interested to hear your thoughts once you've compared your Envy against your Lumagen Jules.It should be said with regard to comments about pricing that this is of course a review of the top madVR Extreme model. However, the madVR Pro model is cheaper and, relatively speaking, more competitively priced. I have the Pro model in my demo room (alongside Lumagen which I am about to install).
Will be happy to feedback once the Lumagen is installed. Just need to find time! Of course I've calibrated both madVR Envy and Lumagen units for clients - but for comparisons to be truly informative they need to be done in the same room at the same time.Be very interested to hear your thoughts once you've compared your Envy against your Lumagen Jules.