I added another 6 readings to my already 100% calibration on the 1120 and it actually produced some definite, subtle, but perceptible improvements to both vocals and general clarity so it seems to me that RP does actually process readings made after the magical 100% - and make suitable amendments to the DSP profile if it hears something different?
It does seem odd that the Lyngdorf OS enables extra readings then even though it is at 100% - you would think that if the new readings are just thrown away they would disable that menu function?This is unfortunately nothing more than a placebo effect. The filters are no longer adjusted or augmented past 100%, the difference between mid 90's and 100% isn't going to be audible and if it was you'd be listening in a very good room, from the perspective of someone mixing a a record or movie over time.
That is why I think I said in my original post I tried again the next day just to be sure my ears were not playing tricks.I've got up and walked away from tuning instruments, recording and mixing because my brain would simply not work and then be fine as little as 20 mins later.
Yes, a normal company might do that. Lyngdorf will come at it from more of an engineering company perspective and think 'why would anyone add to 100%?' The thought that you can just keep going and it will get better is a real stretch. For example why can it only be positive changes? why let you stop the process at 90%? At what point above a theoretical 100% is enough, surely the same rules can be applied to anything above 90%?It does seem odd that the Lyngdorf OS enables extra readings then even though it is at 100% - you would think that if the new readings are just thrown away they would disable that menu function?
I don't believe it's perfect and have said long before anyone that their can be slightly different calibrations with nothing changed, except the mic position. I've measured individual speakers after runs with REW and I'm satisfied that the readings are consistent at least from what REW can tell you. It is more likely in your head than anything else and no one is exempt from this to varying degrees.I have taken 2 complete calibrations in the past and not altered any settings, measurements or MLP and I have tried to repeat the random locations as near as possible on both runs - they came out with totally different sound signatures so maybe it is not as "perfect" as you might like to believe.
Your ignorance is showing. I've made the case for how musical instruments were created and how theatres / concert halls were constructed 100's of years ago relying not on acoustic measurements and almost solely on the the human ear. You can go back further in time for the foundations of acoustics and why the design of many instruments remain largely the same.Thank you for sharing your experience. I think you can look at opinion of Rock Danger with grain of salt as he is from “pro audio word”.and never believe his ears, only measurements.
My counterpoints are based firmly in science fact. As a creator of music as well as a background in live and studio sound, I am very aware of the human condition in these environments. This is where music begins and the sound you ultimately hear is based on fundamental physics.My respects to your knowledge and experience (without irony).
I just want to point you that each time somebody share their own experience you give hundreds of theoretic arguments agains. Our hobby full of “esoteric” thing which can not be measured for the moment. Each of us has our own setup and yeas and it is normal. If you cannot explain something it does not mean that it is not exist, but probably we do not know somthing.
Ooooooops - I seem to have started something here!
I did have a balanced response ready in my head but when I came to post it and saw all the responses I decided not to go there.
I can only reiterate that I tried some extra readings over and above the 100% and fully expected either no change or a worse result which was why I always do a backup before changing ANYTHING. I was pleasantly surprised with the result which I perceived to be an improvement. If it is actually a placebo effect then who cares - at least it made me happy.
Is this the 8 page PDF bundled in with 4.0.0 firmware perhaps?Owners manual refers to the following document but I cant seem to find it:
"In a separate document, called Speakers and Bass Management"
Anyone have a link? Thanks...
I just read it as it copying the L+R inc crossovers (if used) to 2 additional outputs - which is 4 outs and the speaker's crossover deals with it passively as normal - you're just doubling up on power.No mention is made of crossovers for the additional outputs, so presumably you'd need to use an outboard one, which only requires a single input.
Yes, that's how I read it too.I just read it as it copying the L+R inc crossovers (if used) to 2 additional outputs - which is 4 outs and the speaker's crossover deals with it passively as normal - you're just doubling up on power.
Yes, that's how I read it too.
But the additional power comes from additional power amps, two of which can be driven by using a cheap Y cable on one processor output channel.
In live sound you can have tens of meters of cables and pieces of gear far from each other and on different circuits, both of which are not the norm for home use.I'm not sure in this particular case. I know you can run into all kinds of problems doing this with live sound, signal loss to ground loops.