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LPX-500 Screenies (Warning modem users!)

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Mr. Wilby, Jul 8, 2003.

  1. Mr. Wilby

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    Intro
    Still not had time to do a proper write-up (had relatives staying) but I did find a few minutes to take some screen shots (about 130mb worth) earlier tonight.

    These are cropped and resized down from the 5 mega pixel originals and have been recompressed for the web. Take with a pinch of salt, but anyway, worth sharing. Screen is 5m away (approx) and is 2.5m wide.

    Also note that I forgot to reduce my DScaler sharpening level before taking these so they are quite brittle (I was testing yesterday on max sharpening ! :devil: ). Still, it shows what sharpening can do to DVD's I guess?

    I have full size pics if anybody wants them (but I won't post them here because of the bandwidth). Just PM me.

    Let me just say, BOY can this projector display animated colours well. The saturation is just fantastic. Watched all of Gladiator superbit and also LOTR and its just mind blowingly good ... but I am allowed to say that because its my first PJ :)

    Also, I'm very pleased (so far, touch wood) to say I've very little or no sign of vertical banding. Definitely worth looking at an Epson TW100 or a Yamaha LPX 500 if you are considering LCD PJ's.

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  2. Mr. Wilby

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    Ice Age

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  3. Messiah

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    Thanks Mr Wilby. These look amazing. At least that now proves that the VBs I was seeing on mine were not pj related, rather source or external influence (screen, cables, power, whatever).

    If I get images this good when it's set up in the lounge I will be mightily pleased :)

    Good work.
     
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    I've just posted those pics to my friend, Mr. Wilby.

    I knew Toy Story 2 looked good, but... :eek: :smashin:

    Now to go back to my 29" TV screen...

    Anyway, congrats! :clap:
     
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    Fantastic screen grabs. How did you take them? Whenever I try I just end up with blury images:blush:

    cheers

    Paul
     
  6. Mr. Wilby

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    Thanks guys. I really didn't do much more than point and shoot.

    - ISO100
    - Set to natural colour mode
    - Exposure time 0.7 sec
    - Manual focus (spot locked for all photos)
    - Tripod
    - Cable release

    Just paused them with the PJ's own 'still' feature, and then pushed the cable release.

    I forgot to mention (although pretty obvious) these are all via 1:1 mapped DVI HTPC (Lovely LMP case :-D )

    They look even better in person and you lose all sense of proportion now I've cropped the black borders (below the screen you could actually see my video LCD time display which actually emphasised the size).

    PJ's are great... Not sure why I waited so long TBH!
     
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    Very nice pictures. Does the blacks in the movies really look as dark as that or is that the camera?
     
  8. Mr. Wilby

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    The black levels are pretty good... I think probably up there with the best of LCDs. Messiah will be able to comment more on these in relation to his Sharp 10k.

    The camera distorts the brightness of the image so you cannot rely on it fully. I honestly can't remember how dark the toy story picture of zurg was but it probably wasn't *that* dark. I'll double check that when I have the PJ on tonight.

    However, the colour saturation is definitely as good as the images suggest.
     
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    If Messiah doesn't sell his Yamaha now then I'll eat my hat.
    Great pictures from what I think is the best of the LCD projectors in terms of colour, blacks and how quiet the machine itself is.

    Regards,
    Ian Guinan
     
  10. Messiah

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    After seeing these I'm not sure I want to now :) :D
     
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    Don't worry Ian, your hat is safe!

    The same cannot be said for my debt levels!

    Cheers
    Marc

    Soon to be LPX500 owner...
     
  12. Mr. Wilby

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    Okay, just checked the zurg scene and its actually not quite as dark as the camera shows.

    Actually, I'd say the picture is better on-screen than the camera has captured as you can't really make out the shading in zurgs uniform in the screen shot, whereas you can see more detail on-screen.

    Also, the blues in the background are more "royal" on the screen than the camera shows (i.e. better on screen). I think if I had used the vivid mode, the colours would look as bright and pretty as they do here now.
     
  13. Mr. Wilby

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    uczmeg, welcome to the club :) Its a great PJ and I am SURE you won't be unhappy with it!
     
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    Thanks. I'm very excited.

    But I can see I have to spend quite a bit more on a PC and a screen now to really show it off.

    This hobbie just keeps on taking! :eek:

    At least the wife hasn't a clue on the cost of projectors...

    Cheers
    Marc
     
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    Mr. Wilby,

    Very impressive indeed, your screen shots really do look pin sharp, is this just down to the HTPC do the images blow normal dvd player pictures out of the water on image quality.


    Klippie.
     
  16. Mr. Wilby

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    Hi Klippie

    I have to confess I've not actually connected my normal DVD player (sony 725) up to the PJ since I always intended to use HTPC. I bought some VDC component cable (thanks Messiah) but haven't yet soldered the "end thingies" to it so I can't use it at the mo.

    For the HTPC, since people have asked, here's a quick run down

    HW:
    - Athlon XP 2100 @ 2000mhz
    - ATI 9500 Pro (though I was using 7500 and can't see any difference)
    - Abit nF7-s motherboard Optical Out

    General:
    - 1:1 pixel mapping
    - Zoom Player 3.00

    SW Filters:
    - WinDVD 5 Audio (Optical pass-through)
    - Sonic 2.5 Video
    - DScaler 4.1.7
    - FFDshow 2003-05-23
    - Reclock 0.99k

    I'm using dscaler's sharpening filter from within ffdshow. When I took these photos, as I mentioned, I'd got the sharpening set up to maximum by accident, so they look quite harsh. I have to confess, I didn't realise how harsh they actually were until I saw this pictures. I didn't notice on-screen that they were this sharpened (the action moves too fast I guess).

    I haven't seen much difference between the various video filters (e.g. Win DVD, Power DVD, Sonic Cinemaster et al).

    For FFDShow to work with the Sonic filters, you have to enter a registry setting. See here

    There's a thread on FFDShow and WinDVD here

    Before applying the registry settings, I couldn't make FFDShow connect to the video filter (Win DVD or Sonic) but afterwards it was fine.

    There's also a good thread on using FFDShow's resize feature and then sharpening afterwards but I've yet to see if that makes any difference.

    Hope that helps
     
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    will u post screenshots made with the dvd player for comparison ?
     
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    Yep, I guess so. Just need to make the cables up when I have a bit of spare time.
     
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    cant wait !
     
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    You can't wait?

    I have an LPX500 being posted out to me tomorrow,! Now let's see who can't wait more....! ;)

    I'm just sure I'm going to have all the wrong leads and not beable to play with it for a week...

    Cheers
    Marc
     
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    shots look good, thinking of getting a lpx 500 myself.
    any chance you can post some non-animated screen shots?
    cheers
     
  22. Messiah

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    Not wishing to hijack Mr. Wilby's thread but here are some screenshots I took with my LPX500 week before last. These were via a HTPC with DVI connection but without all the additional filters and tweaks that Mr. Wilby's has. i.e. Just a fairly plain HTPC with Radeon 9500 graphics card.

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    Messiah,

    Outstanding, what size of screen do you have and how far away were the pictures taken, also were any of these films superbit by any chance.

    It seems that the HTPC gives excellent clear pictures so what's the downside if there is one.

    Its definitely got me thinking.....

    Klippie.
     
  25. Messiah

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    8ft (110" diagonal) Owl screen and yes, that was Fifth Element Superbit edition. Pics taken from about 12.5ft.

    TBH though all the discs I played on it were of very similar quality. The LPX is an outstanding pj and the only reason I swapped it for the Z10k was because my setup was causing vertical banding which I know was not the pj as I tried Mr Wilby's before I sent it out to him and that too exhibited VB on my setup but does not on his.

    I should also point out that my camera (Fuji 6900Z) causes darker pictures than the actual image. The actual image was quite a bit better than these pics suggest.
     
  26. Mr. Wilby

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    Lovely shots Messiah and thanks for saving me another swap and shoot session :-D

    Over the weekend we watched the end of Lord of the Rings, Cats and Dogs, About Schmidt. Pretty varied transfer material, but none the less, the LPX displays a smooth image via 1:1 DVI HTPC.

    Of them all, cats and dogs has the worst transfer but its still so easy to get absorbed into the picture.

    This is really a great PJ. The Epson ought to be as good, if you can find one without magnitudes of dead pixels. Especially as the Epson has a 3 year warranty (with same day swap out?).
     
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    thanks for those shots - they look outstanding.
    keep changing my mind on the projector front; was going for an lpx but it seems I can get a TW-100 with the optional shipping cost option (in case of dead pixels) from PJ at £1642. And that Epson will cover it in the UK on an international warranty for 2 yrs - surely can't lose at that price, especially as they're drying up fast here.
    I know that the TW-100 and lpx 500 are basically the same machine, will the Epson put out as good a picture do you think?
     
  28. Messiah

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    I would say yes, just a bit noisier. But that is a great price and gotta be worth it. may even get one myself for the lounge now the LPX has gone :)
     
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    If you get a good one (i.e. not peppered with dead pixels) then I can't see why not. Others have said that it suffers from VB's too, but having chatted with Messiah I think we're in agreement that it depends on the setup... Best bang for the buck LCD IMO, and even at 2000+ I'd take it over the HS10 or anything else for that matter (Brightness, colours, noise level all beat the HS10 by most if not all accounts).

    Great PJ, don't think you'll regret it!
     
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    Guys,

    Please refer to the above screen shots.

    At the top of the screen, just below the black bar is a line.
    Its quite apparent on the child and Corben Dallas shot.
    Anyway, thats exactly the anomoly my Panasonic exhibits.

    Can ayone explain it?

    Thanks,

    Cap:smashin:
     

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