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overkill said:
DOH!!! :D Touche!!


A cheap DVD? Anything in the sub £100 to £150-200 from the last couple of years, as yes, I would agree the new budget Pioneer DVD all-in-one is outrageously good value for money!! ;)


On the LP12 CJ, I never said you did. It was humerous aside!! For £300, to be honest, I'd go for a 2nd hand Radius. IMHO, Linn helped kick start the digital revolution with the LP12. I want a turntable that just gives me the music, not it's version of the music. It was that, that turned many people off it when CD players were less "characteristic" in their presentation. Back then, if I'd had a choice between a quality CD player or a LINN, I'd have gone for the CD - once I'd heard the two. And that's from someone who (still) prefers vinyl.


Put your fingers in your ears, dont listen to the pied piper of vinyl nirvana, you will end up selling your wife and kids, I know, I was a victim :rolleyes:

Now Im sat up every hour of the night dusting off and playing albums like a chain smoker. I dont sleep any more, I cant walk past a secondhand vinyl shop without getting a fix. Ive got callouses from adjusting my azimuths, tracking weights and VTA, my 'works' consist of carbon brushes, weight balances and spirit levels :suicide: hes a monster dont let him talk you into it :eek:

........it will start by teling you to by a Roksan, just a Radius or a Xerxes (must find one with a straight arm board). He will seduce you with thoughts of Rega 9s and 1000s or SME IV. Finally he will point you in the direction of brand new Ortofon Cartridges from a guy on the Ebay, who sells them for less than half of list price (in my case a third of :eek: ).......

Then you will be hooked..........hes the lord of evil - vinyl incarnate :devil:
 
Surface noise, pops , crackles My Oracle Delphi/RB300/OrtofonMC20 supreme had that problem, vinyl was hanging on the edge, about to be dumped after several reprieves.

But not now, with a Xexes/Origin live/Ortofon Jubilee set up, wheres the pops gone and the bass :eek: the dynamics, soundstage, just makes CD sound lifeless and muddy. Im not playing this with a few female vocals, its everything from heavy rock like Killing Joke, through to paul Simon. I dont really know how a good tt/arm combination does this trick, its like turning the focus ring on a pair of binoculars, suddenly everything is in focus and the colours are stunning.

I was sceptical, I began to think that this tt sound was mythical, but its not.

As for Linns, they are not a modern turntable, they have their good points in the same way as an old mellow valve radio, sort of relaxing.
But theres good and bad Linns, most are mediocre, no matter how much care seems to have been involved in setting up. The good ones are very pleasant, but dont hold a candle to a well set up Roksan wrt timing and dynamics.
 
Nimby said:
I keep hoping the DVD will finally drag us into the digital age with a level of reproduction that will flatten the LP12 once and for all. Then we can get on with the 21st century instead of being stuck in the 19th. :blush:

A very good point Nimby which I agree with totally, there is definitely something in vinyls playback that makes it “different” to CD playback this difference equates to a “preference” in sound terms to vinyl users which IMO is incorrectly called “superiority” over the other (I rate vinyl & CD this exact same in sound terms FWIW just different presentation), both formats (CD & Vinyl) have strenghts the other lacks IMHO (but that’s a whole other discussion)

What I think DVD-V/A (16/24 Bit – 48Khz and above) has to offer is a difference in the bass performance from CD, you still have the detail that CD retrieves but bass becomes fuller & more articulate than CD more akin to the fluid nature of vinyl.

Mind you these are vibes from a “mediocre” Linn LP12 owner so what do I know.

karkus30 said:
As for Linns, they are not a modern turntable, they have their good points in the same way as an old mellow valve radio, sort of relaxing.
But theres good and bad Linns, most are mediocre, no matter how much care seems to have been involved in setting up. The good ones are very pleasant, but dont hold a candle to a well set up Roksan wrt timing and dynamics.

Hey Karkus not disputing what you think you hear with your level of vinyl addiction but there are plenty of audiophiles in the world who find LP12s very good at what they require to hear (even in timing & dynamics – I don’t use terms like that TBH though), so seeing labels like “most are medicore” well that sort of comment will just irritate current owners of the old venerable deck (which for some reason brings out venom I find hard to fathom), quite a few of us BTW would not buy a one new, the best TT Ive heard in the flesh is a Audio Note TT2 FWIW in a all AN setup from Cartridge to Loudspeaker, still does not make my LP12 or others happy with it “medicore” I hope you note that level of comment does nothing to further peoples enjoyment of vinyl – especially new vinyl users that are avialble like the one above for £300, why on earth deriding a decks “flavour” has any relevance when it purely personal preference in a lot of cases is beyond me. When did this turn into the great Roksan V Linn TT thread ? A guy comes on asking about a LP12 he has found in a loft, which should fetch £300 no problems, other LP12 enthusiasts come into thread to recount their experiences and all of a sudden other owners of other decks call it “flawed” for whatever reason. The world of the audiophile is a weird one to me TBH.

Im very happy with my LP12 as you will guess and nowhere in the world would I describe it medicore my ears just don’t hear that at all, just like I would never call anyones choice of audio kit medicore. The other thing that is so funny about how labels can be put on TTs to me is the amount of sonic “flavours” you can get from any one deck where the followiing (IMHO) can be tweaked/changed to suit what you are looking for (starting from the groove) :

Platter surface (ringmat et al)
Cartridge
Tonearm
Tonearm Cabling
Deck Type
Deck PSUs
Phono Stages
Amplifier Phono stage is fed into
Hifi Rack imparting a sonic flavour to deck (if you believe such a thing)
Loudspeakers
Room acoustics

The list goes on to infinity FWIW as you will know but do you catch my drift. FWIW there are other deck at the same price as Roksans efforts that people prefer, they for whatever reason possibly think Roksans efforts are mediocre, which as you know does not tally in with your vibes.

ATB.
 
But theres good and bad Linns, most are mediocre, no matter how much care seems to have been involved in setting up. The good ones are very pleasant, but dont hold a candle to a well set up Roksan wrt timing and dynamics.
As someone who's owned both, I think Karkus should be allowed to comment without being patronised.

The only people I know who have a go at Xerxes, are guess who? Yes, Linn owners. I bought mine from one. His loss. I'm not devoted to this turntable or biased against Linn owners. I've heard better than the Xerxes, but sadly my wallet doesn't stretch that far. However, IMHO I've not been satisfied with the Linns reproduction for many reasons.

As for "moving on" with a digital medium???? Who cares? If DVD finally offers me what I want - great. But that doesn't mean that i've finally left the "19th century". Jeez!

incorrectly called “superiority” over the other
No, its called superiority because one isn't doing what the other can in the majority of areas. In other words it is superior. If your CD kit can, then fine. Mine and many others can't.
 
overkill said:
As someone who's owned both, I think Karkus should be allowed to comment without being patronised.

Here we go again, I am NOT patronising Karkus :lease: , now if I said his TT of choice was mediocre or crap etc etc I would be patronising him does that tally ?, I simply disagree with his opinion that My record deck is mediocre not to me it aint. Again you are making this forum a PIA to frequent TBPH.

overkill said:
The only people I know who have a go at Xerxes, are guess who? Yes, Linn owners.

:censored: :censored: :censored:

Where in this current thread from post 1 to this one do you see a Linn owner saying anything derogatory about Roksan TTs ?, what I can see it 2 Roksan deck owners having a go at Linn owners from where I stand. You guys like your Roksans fine but your are calling other people misguided who own Linn TTs, cant you see this ? again this has not happened to either of you Roksan owners.

overkill said:
IMHO I've not been satisfied with the Linns reproduction for many reasons.

A moment of clarity, you are not satsifed with LP12s so what !! what about those who are ? they are pefectly within their rights to question your views when they patently don’t hear the problems you have with the deck.

It’s a bit like a skoda fabia driver saying his car is to him better than a ford escort he drove, in a escort based thread, calling the escort anything derogatory is going to cause hassle when you have current owners who disagree with you, or maybe that’s the intention.

Audiophilia you gotta love it.
 
This is not only way off topic but also getting a bit silly.

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