Lossless Audio, do you want it?

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  1. If the space is there, deffinately.

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  2. DD+ is good enough.

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  3. I'd rather have extras.

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  4. Don't care either way.

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  5. Don't know.

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  1. BadAss

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    This question goes for both formats.
     
  2. Jeff

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    No I want DD+ or DTS.
     
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    Why is there no "NO" option??

    Another poll asking if people are actually capable of handling lossless audio might be an eye opener.
     
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    Is this where all HD-DVD supporters abstain?:rotfl:

    The 'Don't care either way' is the NO option.
     
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    I do care either way, I don't want it. According to a few people on this forum the whole

    HD war thingy will be won by "joe public." I don't know who this "joe public" is

    (I think I may be him) but people seem to think that he is too stupid to be

    able to handle 2 boxes under his TV to watch HD films on both formats. If

    that is the case then how do you expect "joe public" to be able to handle

    lossless audio which will add yet another "box" under his TV????
     
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    I just answered a very similar question on the American forum so I hope no one minds a cut and paste answer.

    I have a Toshiba E1 and a yamaha 1700 receiver (HDMI 1.2 I think) and decent speakers, I always chose the TrueHD track and I think it sounds better, however it may well simply be that it's louder and that I couldn't tell the difference if they were the same volume.

    So while it's nice when movies have a lossless track the high bit rate DD+ tracks sound fanastic in many cases so I'm not too disapointed. I certainly don't go along with the outrage and it's a disagrace stuff we have been hearing about Transformers today.

    Would be very interesting to see a double blind test with matched levels to see how much of a noticeable difference there actually is.

    So my answer is yes I guess I care a little but it wouldn't effect my buying decision at all, though I surpose I feel I'm getting more value with my purchase when it has lossless in the same way that I feel I'm getting more value with lots of extras even though I may only watch a few of them. I do think that DD+ is good enough though especially at 1.5Mbps but if there is space free then a TrueHD or PCM track seems an ideal way to fill it and so I've voted for option one even though my opinion isn't strong on the matter.
     
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    Even though I don't have the capability now, I've voted for definitely as i'm bound to have the option at some stage in the future.
     
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    I voted yes...... I would like to be able to....... shortly with any luck.... :)
     
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    I would just like to say that let's hope Blu-ray dies soon, so we can enjoy low bit VC-1 and lossy soundtracks! :rotfl::rotfl:

    Oh and Cheap Chinese players @ 1080i are great too!
    :suicide:

    Yep, it's good enough. :rolleyes:
     
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    That wasnt the question asked :confused:
     
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    *SIGH*
    Yes, Kev I want lossless soundtracks. What about you?
     
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    With all the resources here and else where on the Internet and people still don't get how weave deinterlacing works. 1080i is great, I use it all the time with my 1080p projector. I get full 1080p resolution from the film and I don't get any 3:2 judder.

    Not sure what this has to do with lossless audio though.
     
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    Honestly, I'd prefer extras but I don't really see this as a situation of one or the other. PCM encodes are a waste of space but both formats can produce a disc with a TrueHD soundtrack, extras and still have space left over.
     
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    If you look at the poll, you can see I have voted. Bit of a no brainer really, If there is the space I want lossless, so I didnt feel it needed an explaination or a post regarding Video res of players.

    Cant actually play lossless right now, so not really an issue at the mo :smashin:
     
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    It would all depend upon the movie.
    Having just watched Notting Hill on HD DVD the use of TrueHD is rather pointless (imo) given it's restrained soundtrack, a decent DD+ soundtrack would have been quite acceptable.

    That aside I doubt I could tell the difference between TrueHD/DTS-HD and PCM given my setup not that I have the option being in the HD DVD camp:)
     
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    Hi
    Voted yes!
    I mean duh why wouldn't you.
    High definition without Lossless is like having sex wearing a condom........boring.:devil:
     
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    I agree with that statement. I don't need a lossless soundtrack for a lot of comedy films. If the sound is not too important to the film then I would be happier if that space was taken up by a lot of extras.

    If I am watching an action film where there were loads of big noises and loud sounds I would prefer a lossless soundtrack like TrueHD.
     
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    Yes , I want it.
    I am not an extras person , only ever watch outtakes anyway.
     
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    TrueHD is a lossless compression format. Would you like me to explain 'lossless'?

    PCM wastes space for the sake of it.

    We use lossless formats all the time with data. Imagine if a firm committed it's database to a lossless compression format and later uncompacted it. Do you think if the smallest amount of data was altered it would ever be used again?

    I could go into a fish and chip shop and say 'fish and chips twice' or I could say 'fish and chips and another fish and chips'. The second way carries all the information but is long winded. the first way carries all the information but is a compacted way of saying it.

    Shame TrueHD was never part of Blu-Rays spec or it could have been standard. Luckily Blu-ray has the room to waste.

    Further posts here:

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5290275&postcount=71

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5258222&postcount=212
     
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    I would prefer a DD EX or DTS ES track.
    How about a lossless track and a EX/ES track on every release.
     
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    Yes. I rarely watch extras and if i do, i'll certainly never watch them again.
     
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    I'm happy with DD+ or above. I don't remember anyone complaining about DD or DTS in the past.

    I'm not certain people can hear the difference unless you have very expensive kit and certainly the vast majority of people will be listening through TV speakers or budget systems so would probably get more from fancy extras or a top quality picture anyway.
     
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    Problem is , to some people this can be said of extra features , trailers , easter eggs , outtakes etc
     
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    I appreciate that. Obviously we are all different. Generally I don't bother with extras but for certain films I do. Certainly I found the PIP for certain films like 300 amazing and a lot more useful than the directors commentary of the past.

    For LOTR and T2 I loved the films and watched the lot and listened through all the commentarys.

    With DVD you have been able to buy the single disk version and two disk (or more) versions of films for quite a while now. Some must be selling.

    Extras are also a selling point of the HD formats. Nearly every review of a disk quotes the extras HD DVD is now including on line features where you should be able to watch the film and then order the t-shirt, soundtrack etc.

    Blu-ray is doing a major reworking of the format to include the same functionality. Pirates of the Caribbean is famous for including an interactive game.

    Someone must think it's all worthwhile.
     
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    While I've voted for the top option I would prefer

    Movie
    DD+ at 1.5Mbps
    Gag Reel
    few featurettes about making the film etc
    deleted scenes
    Directors commentry
    Cast interviews
    Music Video

    Over
    Movie
    TrueHD at 4.5Mbps

    I'm sure a significant number of people can tell the difference between 640Kbps DD+ and the TrueHD at 4.5Mbps on the Warner discs but we have never had the high bitrate paramount 1.5Mbps DD+ track to compare to the TrueHD version and I bet the people who could notice a difference in a movie between those are a small minority indeed. I know I can't tell the difference between high bit rate MP3 192Kbps and CD.
     
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    DD+ is good enough for me :thumbsup:
     
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    'If the space is there definitely' is a bit of a loaded question. For instance there is no consequence. It's like asking if you could have a million pounds gratis would you take it?

    The question should be 'would you prefer DD+ at a high bitrate plus extras' or 'a lossless soundtrack and zero extras'.

    The question is phrased as though if there was no lossless soundtrack then you would have empty space anyway so what would you prefer?
     
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    You can have all 3, Film, Lossless and Extra's.......

    so we have to, I think, stick with the question as it was intended.
     
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    I have a feeling that the thread was started as a 'dig' at Transformers which has a DD+ soundtrack and the thread was started by a well known blu-ray owner.

    Fine if that's the case and TrueHD should have been included but if it was aimed at Transformers the disk may have set a new level in terms of interactive features. Maybe these would have been lost to include TrueHD I have no idea as I don't author disks.

    The extras themselves actually look like they might be worh having rather than the usual deleted scenes and a commentary.
     
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