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Lord of Rings - Region 2 better than 1 ?

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by FoxyMulder, Nov 25, 2003.

  1. FoxyMulder

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    Ooooops lol

    I should read other threads sorry.

    I have the region 1 versions and thought picture quality superb but i guess region 2 is even better, i still prefer 1 cos of PAL speedup and despite pitch correction i still don't trust PAL speedup issues.

    P.S. Moderators feel free to merge this thread with the bjoern one.
     
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    I have both R1 and R2.

    On my setup the R1 is just better than the R2. It is sharper which is probably due being NTSC.

    The R2 is still excellent
     
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    Its sharper because its lower res and your display copes better. The R2 version is better.
     
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    It still looks better on my TV than my R2.
     
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    I'm sure it does.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    just to add my bit,i think the tt extended packaging is much,much better on the r1 version,i hate the flimbsy card on r2.
     
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    That's a contradictory statement in itself though.

    Bjoerns review may well be correct.

    However, if 95% of 32 inch displays show the R1 NTSC version as "sharper" or "better" and 5% of prog scan plasmas and PJ's show it as worse then its wholly arguable about which is better at all.

    What was that film line about the needs of the many and needs of the few again?
     
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    Yes HDTV has no future in Europe, in fact lets switch to good old NTSC. ;)
     
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    I don't think your heavy handed approach to thread responses does anyone any good.

    You made a sarcastic response to nwgarratt. All he did was said in his opinion the R1 looked better. I echo that (having owned both which I believe would be a prerequisite to this argument).

    As I said I don't doubt Bjoerns' article at all. However it's one mans view of his equipment in a given set of circumstances. Hence why DVD appraisal can be so subjective. No-one wants to see a "what looks best on every piece of equipment" chart so such reviews are neccesary.

    Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it regardless of your views.
     
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    That seems unlikely.

    NTSC discs are likely to look better on displays that are natively 480-line - for example, many plasma screens. It's less likely that a conventional CRT television designed primarily for the PAL market would do a better job of NTSC than PAL. I assumed that Jeff was suggesting that nwgarrat has a 480-line display of this sort.
     
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    480 line displays aren't that common though and my "95%" was merely a reference to PAL displays rather than any technical sense.

    Indeed the PAL v NTSC is half the argument anyway. There could be any number of reasons why the NTSC disc may look better than the PAL one and vice versa and to write off someones opinion in such a way is unhelpful.
     
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    There could be a ton of reasons why NTSC DVD might in general look better on certain displays, differences in refresh rate, internal processing, resolution, calibration, viewers perspective... Will 95% of people see the NTSC version of LOTR as better?, I very much doubt it, most people wouldn't bother to check and of the ones who did, most probably wouldn't see a difference at all. Bjoerns reviews aren't aimed at these people, the type of person who is interested in what Bjoern has to say does have the equipment that will show a difference. Opinions are fine, you can take them or leave them, if you were to post something like "MP3 is better than CD because it sounds better on my system" then you should expect to come in for some stick. Even if the NTSC version looks better now, hopefully at some stage you hope to own a display that will show a better representation of what is actually contained on the DVD. To buy R1 NTSC DVDs because they look better on your current setup if a perfectly valid thing to do and probably the best decision, but it’s a personal one. Bjoerns reviews aren't about subjective opinions, perspectives, they are extremely factual, he is simply telling (and showing) you which is better.
     
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    Does anybody wan't to buy my R1 copy as I MUST get
    the R2! ;)
    Seriously though, most people know that the picture quality
    on dvd's will vary depending on what kind of screen you use.
    In the case of lotr, there is also a difference between
    the ntsc and pal versions going on his screenshot examples.
    If mastered correctly, pal should be better than ntsc (you can improve the quality with progressive scan but that's another subject) but when you watch a dvd on a large screen it will always show up the inadequencies of the disc.
    Both formats fade in comparison to the HD screen shots but
    the picture quality on both pal and ntsc will still look excellent
    on MR. Joe Average's smaller screen. For me, having owned both
    the R2 and R1 of FOTR EE, I prefer the pic. on the ntsc version.
    I'm not saying that it is better, I just think that it looks more
    sharper on my 32"w/s.
    Until HD is released, you will always get minor differences between pal and ntsc and, to me, MINOR is the key word
    as most of us don't have the equipment to be able to do
    comparison shots of zoomed-in scenes like this fella has done.
    Anyway, there are other reasons why people choose one format
    over another apart from minor picture quality differences and, in
    the case of LOTR, for me it was the packaging and sound quality
    which is an improvement on the R1 copy of FOTR compared to
    the R2 discs.
     

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