Question Looking to upgrade/change

spannersatcx

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At the moment have Canon 7DMKii and a number of lenses, 10-18, 15-85, 50, 100 macro, 70-200 and 100-400, also G7X for walkabout.

I predominately like to shoot wildlife/birds and motor sport, so good FPS etc needed, but also any other normal stuff, landscape, sunsets etc etc.

SO either looking to change within canon or complete change to....

Canon wise do I wait for the next EOS R incarnation, rumoured for later this year, or do I go along the lines of the soon to be released 90D with the M6MKii as a walkabout, and can utilise current lenses. Or Maybe the 5D4?

Or do I change tack completely, that's where I am struggling to find something, obviously plenty out there, Nikon, Sony, Fuji.

I seem to be going round in circles at the moment? Stick or bust!

So any help and or suggestions most appreciated. This is not a Canon v Nikon v Sony war as I'm willing (although reluctant) to change.

Budget 3K
 

snerkler

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Personally I'd stick with what you have, the 7D-II is a great camera and IMO should give you everything that you need. Is it just GAS or is the 7D-II limiting in some way?
 

spannersatcx

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Personally I'd stick with what you have, the 7D-II is a great camera and IMO should give you everything that you need. Is it just GAS or is the 7D-II limiting in some way?
Mostly GAS probably, maybe just the walkabout camera then? As nice as the G7X is don't think it does enough. So maybe just a CSC mirrorless is the way?
 

snerkler

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Mostly GAS probably, maybe just the walkabout camera then? As nice as the G7X is don't think it does enough. So maybe just a CSC mirrorless is the way?
Yeah, I was the same with the G7x. Up until recently my walkabout camera has been the EM1-II and 12-40mm f2.8, a great setup imo and produces great images. However, as I have recently swapped my D850 for the Z7 this is now my walkabout camera. With the 24-70mm f4 it's not much heavier than the Olympus setup and with it being FF you get that touch better IQ (although for walkabout shots there's very little in it imo) and better noise handling. If I still had the D850 I'd still be more than happy with the Olly as a walkabout.

So I guess this will all depend on how bad your GAS is and how much money you are wanting to throw at it? If it's just for walkabout and you don't need the best AF then a used EM1 and 12-40mm f2.8 would be a significant upgrade over the G7x. If you want top AF too then the EM1-II and 12-40mm f2.8 would be a great option, but if you want to go whole hog and get FF then your best bang for buck would be the Sony A7III, very hard to look past. The only reason that I didn't buy into Sony was the ergonomics and colour science.
 

Snake79

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I really wouldn't change unless there was something that you felt was holding you back with the 7DII.
Yes there have been a lot of new cameras released since the 7DII came out but unless you need something specific which by the sound of it you are almost looking for excuses to upgrade and GAS is your problem.

I went through a similar period constantly trying to justify buying the Samyang XP 14mm f/2.4 lens for astro but soon realised that is not something I will be shooting often at all living it the suburbs and it would just sit unused for most of it's life. It would be a waste of money.

Switching systems is a big undertaking too as you would have to learn the menus and quirks of the camera which can take time. If you are going down that route I would advise trying one out first with a selection of lenses to see if you like the handing. As much as I like the more compact mirrorless bodies they can't compare in my opinion to a DSLR with an equivalent lens. Everyone is different though.
 
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spannersatcx

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Thanks for the inputs, it's not just GAS, as good as the 7D2 is it's not really a walkabout type camera so will most likely stick with that for now. Don't worry I will be going to my local store for a hands on, would be good to have something in mind before going.

I have a holiday coming up soon, and a bucket list holiday next Feb/Mar to Vietnam so would be street/beach/landscape/architecture

Good food for thought though.
 

snerkler

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As much as I like the more compact mirrorless bodies they can't compare in my opinion to a DSLR with an equivalent lens. Everyone is different though.
Depends what you’re referring to, my Z7 IQ is easily a match for the D850.
 

Snake79

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Depends what you’re referring to, my Z7 IQ is easily a match for the D850.
Sorry, I didn't word it correctly, I was referring to the handling and ergonomics of a DSLR compared to a mirrorless body, not IQ. The Sony cameras in particular are not as comfortable. By all accounts the EOS-R seems to be the closest to DSLR size and grip.

The Fuji GFX 50S/100 medium format cameras and Panasonic S1H are quite chunky too but are in a different class.

If I didn't have my current setup and lightweight and portable was my main goal in choosing a new system I'd probably consider the M6 MkII or Fuji XT-3. They use compact lenses and would be a better choice compared to the RP for example where the body is small but the lenses are huge because of the full frame sensor.

The 90D is a good camera but would be too similar to the 7D MkII that you have and doesn't give you a lighter system.

The 5D MkIV is possibly too much for your needs and you'd loose the reach at the long end which is why APS-C is probably a better choice for what you shoot.
 

snerkler

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Sorry, I didn't word it correctly, I was referring to the handling and ergonomics of a DSLR compared to a mirrorless body, not IQ. The Sony cameras in particular are not as comfortable. By all accounts the EOS-R seems to be the closest to DSLR size and grip.
Ahh I see. Ergonomics are very personal tbh, I've said for years that I've found the EM1 and EM1-II the most comfortable and best cameras ergonomically to use for me, and now the Z7 is on par, and for me better than the D750 and D850 I had previously.

That's my preference though :smashin:
 

AMc

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Thanks for the inputs, it's not just GAS, as good as the 7D2 is it's not really a walkabout type camera so will most likely stick with that for now. Don't worry I will be going to my local store for a hands on, would be good to have something in mind before going.

I have a holiday coming up soon, and a bucket list holiday next Feb/Mar to Vietnam so would be street/beach/landscape/architecture

Good food for thought though.
I'm heavily biased in favour of Olympus - I moved from a Pentax DSLR because of size more than anything else. I've since learned to love the small(er) lenses and inbody stabilisation.
I'm very happy with my E-M10ii but I appreciate it's tiny size is a plus for me but a minus for others.

If you were looking for a very capable camera then I have read a lot that the E-M1 mark ii is very capable as a wildlife and sports camera. With the 12-40 PRO it's weather sealed and pretty compact which would be ideal for a hot, humid holiday in Vietnam.

If you're located near one of their dealers you can borrow one for a full 24hr test drive for nothing.
Olympus TEST & WOW
 

spannersatcx

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I'm heavily biased in favour of Olympus - I moved from a Pentax DSLR because of size more than anything else. I've since learned to love the small(er) lenses and inbody stabilisation.
I'm very happy with my E-M10ii but I appreciate it's tiny size is a plus for me but a minus for others.

If you were looking for a very capable camera then I have read a lot that the E-M1 mark ii is very capable as a wildlife and sports camera. With the 12-40 PRO it's weather sealed and pretty compact which would be ideal for a hot, humid holiday in Vietnam.

If you're located near one of their dealers you can borrow one for a full 24hr test drive for nothing.
Olympus TEST & WOW
Thanks might give that a try!
 

snerkler

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Thanks might give that a try!
Definitely worth trying imo, maybe also give the 40-150mm f2.8 a try too. Olympus will feel very alien and confusing to start with, but you can customise pretty much everything and get it set up just how you like it. It's very rare I use the menus now as everything is at my fingertips.
 

doug56hl

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At the moment have Canon 7DMKii and a number of lenses, 10-18, 15-85, 50, 100 macro, 70-200 and 100-400, also G7X for walkabout.

I predominately like to shoot wildlife/birds and motor sport, so good FPS etc needed, but also any other normal stuff, landscape, sunsets etc etc.

SO either looking to change within canon or complete change to....

Canon wise do I wait for the next EOS R incarnation, rumoured for later this year, or do I go along the lines of the soon to be released 90D with the M6MKii as a walkabout, and can utilise current lenses. Or Maybe the 5D4?

Or do I change tack completely, that's where I am struggling to find something, obviously plenty out there, Nikon, Sony, Fuji.

I seem to be going round in circles at the moment? Stick or bust!

So any help and or suggestions most appreciated. This is not a Canon v Nikon v Sony war as I'm willing (although reluctant) to change.

Budget 3K
Seems a bit of a missed opportunity to replace one APS-C body with two APS-C bodies.
Why not a FF and a APS-C in the same budget? Sticking with Canon that could be an EOS-R and a 90D or M6MkII. Switch to Sony that could be a A7III and a A6xxx. Either would let you use your existing Canon lenses. You couldn't use your 10-18 or 15-85 lenses on a 5DIV but can on an EOS-R/RP.

While the EOS-R has a lowish stills frame rate you do get 30fps if using 4K video and then a 1.7x multiplier equivalent too. I use that for 8MP stills via frame grabs from the video. Another advantage then is no limit on buffer size. Some examples of the use of that. Stacked frames to show the wing configurations of a diving Gannet.

diving-sequence-216.jpg diving-sequence16.jpg
 
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doug56hl

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hmm didn't know that.
Most EF-S lenses stick too far back into the mirror box for a FF Canon DSLR and would have the mirror hitting them. With the R/RP no mirror, plus they are well away from the sensor plane due to the EF-RF adaptor.
You’d need an adapter for them but they will work.
The adaptor is bundled in with the R and RP. But the cameras will detect APS-C lenses and switch to APS-C mode using only the portion of the sensor covered by an APS-C lens. Works out around a 12MP image for the 30MP EOS-R and a bit smaller for the 26MP RP.

The same situation occurs with Canon APS-C lenses on Sony FF (and also the Sony APS-C lenses on FF). Here, unless getting an A7Rx, the image is smaller again due to the A7x having a 24MP sensor.
 
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snerkler

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The adaptor is bundled in with the R and RP.
Sure is, but obviously if he went the Somy route he’d need a Canon to Somy FE adapter.

But the cameras will detect APS-C lenses and switch to APS-C mode using only the portion of the sensor covered by an APS-C lens. Works out around a 12MP image for the 30MP EOS-R and a bit smaller for the 26MP RP.

The same situation occurs with Canon APS-C lenses on Sony FF (and also the Sony APS-C lenses on FF). Here, unless getting an A7Rx, the image is smaller again due to the A7x having a 24MP sensor.
Yeah it’s handy, I think most cameras automatically switch to DX/APS-C mode these days. I’m personally not a fan of using APS-C glass on FF bodies though except as a stop gap.
 

spannersatcx

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Most EF-S lenses stick too far back into the mirror box for a FF Canon DSLR and would have the mirror hitting them. With the R/RP no mirror, plus they are well away from the sensor plane due to the EF-RF adaptor.

The adaptor is bundled in with the R and RP. But the cameras will detect APS-C lenses and switch to APS-C mode using only the portion of the sensor covered by an APS-C lens. Works out around a 12MP image for the 30MP EOS-R and a bit smaller for the 26MP RP.

The same situation occurs with Canon APS-C lenses on Sony FF (and also the Sony APS-C lenses on FF). Here, unless getting an A7Rx, the image is smaller again due to the A7x having a 24MP sensor.
Thanks yes, meant canon to sony adapter.
don't think I'll get a chance to go to dealer before next holiday, a week Saturday, hopefully more time when I get back.

Thanks all for the very useful input, think I'm erring on sticking with Canon (for now) think I'll end up keeping the 7D2, will have a look at the R, then maybe the 6M2, but will give the others a look first. Think the Sony is a tad expensive, we shall see!

Thanks again much appreciated
 

NSNO

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Just to muddy the waters, I'd definitely recommend the 5DIV. I switched from a 7D2 and would never go back to crop sensor now. Obviously low light performance is better, but what surprised me was how much more detail it captures compared to the 7D2 - more than makes up for having less pixels on subject. ( I do birds and macro btw)
 

spannersatcx

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Well managed to get to my local wex (got a good deal) have stuck with Canon and gone for the R and 24-105, just need to learn how to use it now :). Blimey it's light. Off on holiday Saturday so hopefully get put to good use, first impressions are positive but early days yet. Will hopefully post some pics when I get home.
 

doug56hl

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Well managed to get to my local wex (got a good deal) have stuck with Canon and gone for the R and 24-105, just need to learn how to use it now :). Blimey it's light. Off on holiday Saturday so hopefully get put to good use, first impressions are positive but early days yet. Will hopefully post some pics when I get home.
Try the Fv mode. It's very flexible especially if you configure a button or the bar to return a single one of the settings to auto rather than them all to auto.

The main 'problem' I found with the R was configuring it. Took me a couple of weeks to settle down on my final setup.
 

snerkler

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Well managed to get to my local wex (got a good deal) have stuck with Canon and gone for the R and 24-105, just need to learn how to use it now :). Blimey it's light. Off on holiday Saturday so hopefully get put to good use, first impressions are positive but early days yet. Will hopefully post some pics when I get home.
Cool, hope you enjoy it.
 

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