Question Looking for speakers. How do I make sense of all the technical specifications?

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  1. Srg Kasto

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    Hey guys and girls!

    Sorry for the lenghty text that follow, I'll add an TLDR in the bottom.

    I've just bought a new amp. After eyeing it for over a year, the Teac ai-501da was on a flash sale and I got it. Paid around €600 for it. Now, this isn't the most powerful amp you can get for the money, nor is it awarded or appraised by any of the larger audio/video media outlets. In fact, information, reviews and impressions regarding the amp is surprisingly scarce. But dammit, I still wanted it!

    As of now it's paired with a set of Yamaha NS-200, around 20 years old now, and my source of music is Spotify Premium. It sounds good, but not great. The sound that the amp produces I would label as warm and round, but to be honest, I don't know how much the Yamaha speakers accounts for.

    I've auditioned the B&W 685 S2 and the B&W CM5 with a similarly spec'd amp. The salesman suggested that I would go for stand mounted speakers over floorstanding for the Teac ai-501da.

    I haven't really set a budget, but I find it hard to motivate a price above €1000 for my wife. The best scenario would be speakers and stands for that money, but that wouldn't be the case if I would go for the KEF LS50, for example.

    I know that picking speakers is difficult and also subjective, so I wont ask for a specific speaker to choose (but I wouldn't mind if you directed me to a specific speaker, especially if you have this amp), but I just can't make sense of the technical data and specification of the different speakers which makes it difficult for me to understand them. So I would like some help with that. My living room is about 30 m2, probably larger, and that's where the speakers will be.

    I kind of have a list of speakers. Unfortunately, I'm not able to test these in my home environment so I have to either try them in the store or blindly trust the reviews. Here's the speakers on my long list:
    • B&W 685 S2
    • KEF LS50
    • Focal Aria 906
    • KEF Q300
    • KEF R100
    • Guru Pro Audio Junior
    • Q Acoustic Concept 20
    • Elac BS 192
    • Dynaudio Excite X14
    • Monitor Audio Silver RX2
    If I've missed any info, please let me now. Thanks in advanced!

    //Srg. Kasto

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    TL;DR
    I just got a Teac ai-501da and now I'm looking for speakers. I would label the sound that the amp produce as warm and round.

    Hifi-salesman suggested I'd go for stand mounted. I want to create a decent short list of speakers but I can't make sense of all the technical data. My budget is tops €1000, preferably with stands included (but that's more of a challenge than a criteria). The speakers are to be placed in a large living room, about 30 m2.
     
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    All speakers sound different.

    As for speaker specs you can't judge or make a decision based on speaker specs. You have a few in different class, ie Kef Q, R/LS50 etc.

    However this may occur depending what amp you have. In your case, with the Teac you may want to look into easy to drive, sensitive speakers.

    For speakers you have impedance. 4 ohm speakers are hard to drive, 8 ohm are easier to drive
    You also have sensitivity that means for a given 1W, it will output a certain dB level.

    Since that Teac isn't that powerful you want fairly efficient speakers, something like 91dB+
    Power seems to be pretty good for 4 ohm speakers so ok to buy 4 ohm speakers.

    The Kef LS50 are 4 ohm, but have quite low sensitivity, so need a fair bit of power.

    Since you have a larger room, and looking at standmounts I'd also be looking at a subwoofer. Your Teac lacks L/R pre-out or subwoofer pre-out, so the only way to add a subwoofer is to buy one with high level input and high level outputs, so you will go teac->sub->speakers.

    Getting a subwoofer with high pass on the high level inputs would be a good idea too, that way you're not pushing the speakers with low bass.

    A SVS SB12+ has this feature
     

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    Thanks for your reply!

    I've taken your advice regarding sensitivity, but it's hard to find any speakers I like with a sensitivity above 90db. However the power in the amp may appear in the specs, I think it packs quite a punch. I went to audition some speakers yesterday: the QA 3020, QA Concept 20 and the Guru Junior. The place I went to had my amp connected to a bunch of diferent speakers in an isolated listening room. It wasn't optimal compared to my living room, but a good way to listen to different set ups.

    I was impressed by the Concept 20, not so much by the QA 3020. But the Guru Junior was just amazing! Clear and large scale, and an amazing deep bass. That was sure proof that the amp can drive these speakers effortlessly. Of course, the Guru Junior has capacity to be driven by much more powerful amps and would obviously sound even better, but as I see it I may upgrade my amp in the future.

    So next on my list is to listen to the Focal 906. The specs look very good, high sensitivity and an 8 ohm rating.
     
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    Since this thread isn't generating any activity, I'll throw out another question for anyone to answer.

    What am I supposed to do with the information regarding parameters such as "Frequency response (+/- 3dB)" or "Low frequency point - 6 dB"?
     
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    Go by 3dB figure
     
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    For Reference, here is the amp -

    Teac AI-501 Integrated Amplifier In Black - Teac - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    90w/ch to 4 ohms, so about 45w/ch to 8 ohms. That's fine.

    Here are the Yamaha Speakers -

    Superfi - Discontinued Yamaha Ns200 Speakers

    Judging from what I see and making some assumptions about what you want and need, I would say the speaker are the weak link.

    If you judge the amp to be on the warm side, then I would not then get speakers that are also on the warm side.

    Next, I think you need to focus your Budget a bit. The price currently range from £375 up to £1350/pr. How much would you like to spend, give us a more reasonable range?

    Next, what do you want from the speakers? That is, what characteristic of both the speaker physically and the sound quality are you looking for?

    The Monitor Audio Silver 2 (£650/pr), or if you can find them the RX2, would probably work exceptionally well with a warm amp, the speakers have 8" bass drivers so should perform near a floorstanding speaker. And they are very modestly priced.

    Superfi - Monitor Audio Silver 2 Speakers (Pair)

    I suspect you will have a hard time finding the older RX2 new.

    The KEF LS50 (£799/pr) are stunning speakers, brilliant clarity, tremendous presence, but less so in the bass department.

    Superfi - KEF LS50 Bookshelf Speakers (Pair)

    The -3db response of the KEF LS50 is 79hz, and the -6db response is a better 47hz. So the bass has a long slow soft roll-off, though it would not seem so when you hear the speakers.

    A YouTube video can't tell you much, but you should be able to determine that these are incredibly crisp, clear, detailed speakers, and the bass is pretty fair.

    KEF LS50 SPEAKERS - Click Link Below for more...


    If you are considering the KEF "R" series, then consider the Kef R300 at £999/pr -

    KEF R300 Speakers (Pair) for £999.00 in Speakers at Audio Affair

    I would also expect very good things from the Focal Aria 906 £758/pr. Focal tend to be exceptionally clear speakers. 6.5" Bass Driver, rated bass at 55hz at -3db, which means about 43hz to 45hz at -6db.

    Focal Aria 906 Speakers (Pair) at Audio Affair

    All these speaker represent a particular philosophy, size, and performance. But they are not the only option.

    The Monitor Audio Silver 6 (£599/pr Ex-Demo, £1000/pr normal) are not crazy expensive, and I would expect very good performance for the money from them -

    Monitor Audio Silver 6 - Walnut - Ex Demo

    Monitor Audio Silver 6

    Pushing to the very top of your implied budget, the Monitor Audio Silver 8 with an added Midrange driver (£1250/pr) -

    Superfi - Monitor Audio Silver 8 Speakers (Pair)

    Very new but capturing some buzz, the Tannoy Revolution XT6F at £999/pr -

    Superfi - Tannoy Revolution XT6F Speakers

    Though being the size queen that I am, my preferences lean more toward the Tannoy Revolution XT8F (£1299/pr) with 2x8" bass drivers -

    Superfi - Tannoy Revolution XT8F Speakers

    If you are considering the Kef LS50 or the R100/300, there is no reason to consider the Kef Q300. These other speakers are in a completely different league than the Q300.

    While the B&W 685 S2 is better than the original 685, I'm not sure these are the best speakers to pair with a warm-ish amp. And as before, the other speaker you are considering are a league above the 685.

    I think at this point, focus on what you want from the speaker. If you want solid room rattling bass, they you need bigger floorstanding speakers. If you are focused on stunning clarity, then the smaller bookshelf speakers are the way to go.

    I would say for top quality sound the Kef LS50 and the Focal 906. For a more modest price but with higher impact, the Monitor Audio Silver 2. If you can afford it, for good quality sound and solid impact, do consider the Monitor Audio Silver 6 or 8.

    Again, that list of speaker is far to diverse to get any sense of what you are really looking for. The Kef LS50, Focal 906, and the Monitor Audio Silver 2 are about mid-pack for price. But they are all very different speakers. Myself, If I could push the budget that high, I would consider the Monitor Audio Silver 6 floorstanding speakers.

    If you have a slight interest in Floorstanding speaker, then certainly give the Tannoy Revolution XT6F and the XT8F a listen if you get a chance. Trolling YouTube I found some video of the older DC6T and DC6T-SE version (previous versions of the same series) and they did indeed sound good, to the extent you can tell on YouTube.

    If you can spend the money, and if you want a brilliantly present and life-like speaker, and if the bass is sufficient for you, then really really do go out of your way to hear the Kef LS50.

    But ... that's just my opinion.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    Let me take a moment to address the Tech Specs on speakers, that might be helpful in your search.

    Driver Size - The bigger the driver, the bigger the impact. In bookshelf, typically 6.5" (165mm) bass drivers go reasonable deep, some near 40hz, and have reasonable impact. Obviously floorstanding speaker with multiple bass drivers are going to have the biggest impact, and if you want to maintain clarity, they are going to cost more.

    3" and 4" bass driver are considered very small, and you won't get much bass from them. Typically these are Surround Satellite speakers that need a Subwoofer to perform their best.

    5", 6", and 6.5" bass drivers are more common, and you will get pretty decent bass from them. In bookshelf speakers 8" are about the largest you will see, though that will be rare.

    After that we move into Foorstanding speakers either with a single or with multiple drivers. 4" drivers again are very small and these speaker are going to have very limited bass. Floorstanding with 4" bass drivers are pretty much limited to Surround Sound Systems.

    In single driver and multiple driver Tower/Floorstanding speakers, you will find 5" and 6.5" to be very common with very good performance.

    Today, single or multiple 8" bass drivers is about as big as you find. The days of 10", 12", and 15" bass drivers in full range cabinets is pretty much gone. These larger drivers have been relegated to Subwoofers.

    Sensitivity -
    This is how much sound you get out for 1 watt or 2.83 volts of input. All speakers are tested to the same standard so you can easily compare them. Speaker that go above 90dB are very efficient and can go loud with modest power inputs. Speaker below 90dB are less efficient, though in most cases still fine. When you get down around 85db or less, that represents a somewhat inefficient speaker. Though the efficiency or Sensitivity is not a measure of how good a speaker will sound, only how much sound you will get for 1 watt of input.

    Frequency Response -
    Typically we don't worry about High Frequency Response since it is very easy to reach 20,000hz or more. In Low Frequency Response, which is were the bass is, it gets a bit dicier. Generally larger or more bass drivers will give lower bass response. Also, as a generalization, bigger cabinets will give lower bass response.

    Though only my personal guideline, I want a Bookshelf speaker to have responses below 60hz. Though I confess my Computer speakers are rated at about 64hz and they sound fine for how I use them. However, Ideally, you want the response on a bookshelf speaker under 50hz and as close to or below 40hz as possible.

    For a Floostanding Speaker, you want bass response of 50hz or less, though ideally below 40hz, and as close to, or below, 30hz as is possible. Below 30hz you are moving into Subwoofer territory and few Floorstanding speaker go more than a couple Hertz below 30hz.

    On the issue of Bass Response - Deeper does not mean louder. Deeper just means deeper - no more, no less.

    Which brings us to the next factor related to Frequency Response, which is the qualification of the frequency response. In other words 40hz, but 40hz relative to what?

    -3db vs -6db - When the frequency start to drop at either end, the response is measured by how much it drops. -3dB is pretty much flat, a change of -3db is noticeable but very very small. -6db is a more noticeable drop but still small and still very usable sound.

    Generally you can translate a best guess between -3db and -6db if you only know one. Common speaker rise or drop by about 5hz to 8hz. So, if you have -3db, you can subtract 5hz to 8hz to get the -6db, and if you have the -6db, you can add 5hz to 8hz to get a best guess on the -3db response.

    However, that doesn't hold true of every speaker. Here is an example where it is pretty close. The Diamond 240 floorstanding (2x6.5") is rate at 40hz at -3db and 35hz at -6db, a difference of 5hz. However, the Kef LS50 is rated at 79hz at -3db and at 47hz at -6db, that is a difference of 32hz. However, speakers like the Kef LS50 are the exception, not the rule.

    Some manufacturers give both specs, some always use -6db and some always use -3db, and some don't specify what they use. That is, they don't qualify their frequency response. To some extent understanding the speakers of a given manufacturer hinges on having followed their product for a long time.

    Power Ratings -
    These are not the ideal power, they are the maximum power. But even these rating are cluttered by different standards - RMS, Continuous, Peak, Music, Dynamic Power, and so on.

    Generally Continuous or RMS power means the speaker is able to sustain that power for a reasonable amount of time. For a 100w Continuous rated speaker, the Peak power would be much higher in the range of perhaps 200w or even 300w.

    Dynamic and Music Power mean the power under the playing of normal music. Unlike test tones or sine waves, music is constantly changing and that gives the Voice Coils time to cool down a bit. These rating reflect how much power an speaker can take under normal use. Music Power will be higher and somewhere between RMS and Peak.

    Peak Power
    is the absolute limit of the speaker. The speaker will only tolerate that power for the very shortest period of time before the speaker is damaged.

    These are really the only factors you need to weigh when considering the specs of a speaker.

    Last note, it doesn't matter, though someone is sure to mention it. There is no such thing as RMS power, RMS (Root/Mean/Square) refers to the method, not the actually power. But RMS has become a common term for Continuous Power.

    That should help you gain some perspective on Speaker Specifications.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    @BlueWizard First off, what an amazing write-up. I feel much more confident now in my search. I don't know how I can show you my appreciation to you for the knowledge you share and for the time you've spent typing that. If you happen to run an audio shop, I would gladly purchase from you! I live in Sweden, just for the record. :)

    Now to try to answer some of your questions.

    The budget is, with eventual stands/wall mounts and cables included, to 12000 Swedish kronor (£900 or €1300). I could stretch it to 15000 SEK (£1125) if sound and practicality parameters are fulfilled in such a matter that it would be foolish not to.

    Since my amp is on the warm wide, I want speakers that has a clear and large sound. I'm not a bass head and I do not appreciate booming bass, but I want the bass the be punchy and present, not wet and boomy. I listen to a wide array of genres ranging from boombap to classical to 60's soul to west African blues rock etc, so I'm definitely in search for a versatile set of speakers.

    Then there are the practical side of this. The speakers need to look good, obviously. I know not all speakers looks stunningly beautiful as the Guru Junior (imho), but they need to naturally blend in to the living room. Also, I have two small kids (6 and 1½ yo), so the speakers need to be stable or secured. The Yamaha I have now are immensely stable.

    So I have a few options, which leads me to another of your questions. One option is to get floorstanding speakers. They are stable and wont be knocked down easily. Or I could spend a lot of money on stable stands, which tbh I don't want to. Third option, which is my favourite and what I would like to achieve, is to get speakers that are meant to be placed near a wall, with a front facing bass port. Then I could place them on small shelves on the wall or some kind of wall mount and the kids wont be able to knock them over or in any other way terrorize them.

    In any case, I have not ruled out floorstanding speakers entirely, but for some reason I believe that I can achieve clearer, larger and better sound with similarly priced bookshelf compared to floorstanding in exchange for deeper bass. I don't know if this is a true statement.

    As of now, I have created a short list of bookshelf speakers. I've included prices (bold text are favourites).
    • KEF LS50 10000 kr/£750
    • Guru Junior 9500 kr/£715
    • Focal Aria 906 7500 kr/£565
    • KEF R300 12000 kr/£900
    • Monitor Audio Silver 2 9200 kr/£690 (demo pair on gloss white for 8500 kr)
    Now, both you and @stephenbarnes say something very important. I can't judge speakers solely by the specs, I need to listen to them and understand the philosophy and engineering behind it.
    To sum up my thought from the information I've gathered the past two weeks:

    First I was absolutely certain I wanted the KEF LS50. They look great, they are said to sound astonishing, they match the retro look of my amp. But then I read that they need careful placement and therefore I would need to get some quality stands for them. It'll easily reach the £1125, or even above. I have not listened to these yet, and I need a way to do it with the amp I have.

    So then I read about the Guru Junior being a great set of speakers that likes being placed near the wall. They also have that retro look and they sound amazing. I auditioned them in a place where the Teac ai-501da was hooked up in a listening room, but conditions weren't optimal and I would need to audition them at home.

    Enter the Focal Aria 906. These have front facing bass ports and can be placed near a wall as well, afaik. They are said to sound great and they are cheaper. They also look good, imo. Question is what in the sound and engineering is compromised compared to the two other speakers for the cheaper price? I haven't yet listened to these either.

    Then we have the two other speakers on my list. The KEF R300 are the most expensive. Why so? Are they better than the LS50? The MA Silver 2 are nicely priced and highly appraised, but what about placement with these? They have a back facing bass port.

    I would love to get a hold of some kind of description of the characteristics of each speakers, how they compare to each other and how they sound relative to it's and to it's competitors price.

    Lastly, I've read and re-read your paragraphs on sensitivity, frequency response and qualifications. I'm trying to make sense of it here ([email protected]):

    KEF LS50 85db, 47Hz, 8 Ohms
    Guru Junior 87db, 34Hz, 6 Ohms
    Focal Aria 906 89,5db, 47Hz, 8 Ohms
    KEF R300 88db, 42Hz, 8 Ohms
    MA Silver 2 88db, 40Hz, 8 Ohms

    Seems like the MA Silver 2 has really nice specs, while the LS50 and the Guru Junior might be a bad fit. But since I've listened to the Guru Junior, I think these assumptions might be wrong. I'm confused.

    PS. This forum has some serisouly powerful function. I accidently closed the tab after typing this wall of text and my comment disappeared, but when I went back to the forum board and back to this thread my comment was saved. All of it. I cried happy tears for a little bit.
     
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    I'll keep my post short, though no matter how much i've got to say, it will never be as long as steve's :D:smashin:

    To add to your list - XTZ 99 or 95 series speakers

    Startsida

    They are Swedish based company with a range of Hifi kit which are gaining momentum in popularity over here and the U.S.

    Their speakers are regarded well by those who have them and by those who have heard them. Sound and build quality is of the top order. So to is their amplifiers. Their quality belies their prices.

    Since you live in Sweden, it will be a crime not to pay them a visit. You can also home demo their kit before buying. There will be a delivery fee for that but if you are close enough, you can pick up and drop off.
     
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    I think you're discovering that specifications don't tell the whole story. In fact, in many instances, their only use may be to narrow down your choices for audition.

    Has anyone mentioned room size vs. speaker size yet? Apologies if I've missed it but small speakers don't sound good in large-ish rooms like yours. Stephenbarnes touched on this in post#2 and he's right - you'd need a sub (with high pass outputs) for use with small standmounts but with your modest budget, I'd stick with a floorstanding pair of speakers rather than sub + bookshelf (although some bookshelves may be large enough for your room).

    For instance, no matter how marvellous the KEF LS50 is, it won't adequately fill a 30 sq.m. room - no speaker pair I'm aware of that has single 5" bass/mid units can do that, especially one with low sensitivity such as the KEF. Too small a speaker in too large a room sounds weedy. The bass gets lost and drama and impact suffer. Some manufacturers state an ideal room size range for their speakers. Focal used to do this but now it seems they recommend a minimum size only (as too large a speaker in too small a room can also be a sonic disaster). Unfortunately, there are no definitive rules for matching speaker size with room size as it depends on many other factors such a listening volume, musical tastes, room construction/shape/layout, furnishings etc.
     
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    Yeah, XTZ are popular here too, especially their amps. It's a conscious decision by me not to pick any of their speakers because they simply don't look good enough (it's silly, I know, but I need to filter my search, so to speak). :)



    First I need so revise the OP, the living room is more like 20-25 square meters and not 30 as I initially stated. But what you are saying is exactly what I was thinking initially when I started looking for speakers. It wasn't up until the salesman in the hifi-store advised me to go with stand mount speakers that I started looking for these. That's why focus has been on them now.

    I actually have a short list of floor standing speakers, but I haven't started researching them yet. Do you have any experience or knowledge regarding any of these? If you would pick one of these, considering the amp I got, which one would you pick?
    • MA Silver 6
    • KEF Q900
    • Elac FS 197
    • PSB Image T6
    EDIT: I forgot about the B&W 683 S2. Also contender.
     
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    Reviews from Swedish users are mixed. They are affordable, sure, but they can only be bought from one retailer. There is only one listening room in the whole entire Sweden and that place is right across the country from Stockholm where I live. I could buy and try, but since it's a bit of a hassle and that they imo don't look that good compared to it's competition, I've already ruled them out.

    I'm torn between floorstanding speakers vs bookshelf speakers. But after some consideration, I think perhaps floorstanding is the right way to go.

    This is now my shortlist of floorstanding speakers:
    • MA Silver 6
    • PSB Image T6
    • B&W 683 S2
    I would love some input regarding these. What are their main characteristics? How well would these match with an amp that has a warm and round sound? If you had to pick, which one would you take? I'm leaning towards the B&W for practical as well as price reasons. The other two speakers are either hard to get by (the PSB) or more expesive (MA).
     
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    Mate, i got some tissues you can have to wipe that poohy substance from your eyes:D

    Most speakers, regardless of make, look roughly the same when the grill is on, bar the odd attention to certain details. E.g, cabinet shape. Grills off and certain aesthetics appeal to some and not others. I won't claim that the XTZ 95 series are the most beautiful, but definitely not ugly. They are not retro looking i give you that, but then nor are the others (except the guru's) you have listed.

    The 99 series, especially the glossy ones, are a different kettle of fish and are a sight to behold, but again so are many others higher range speakers.

    I know you ruled XTZ out but they are a least worth a listen.

    Your room size is not far off from my own which in have floor standers in. The LS50 are crisp sounding but will really need some help at the lower end as others has said. And that also goes for a few others in your list of standmount speakers.

    What is in your room furniture wise?
    Too many hard surfaces will suck out whatever bass is available. If you like it that way then great, but if not, a sub and maybe some softening up the room a bit will be required.

    Edit: You posted while i was compiling mine own which is makes it a bit past tense. We only have 1 XTZ dealer currently and only 1 before that, so imaging the hassle and the wait we have when they have to order in from Sweden.

    However, if you just don't like them, you don't like them. I feel the same with MA speakers. None of them appeal to me in anyway, shape or form
     
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    I'm least inclined to suggest the B&W, though the S2 are better than the older models. But the B&W in general tend to be a trace on the warm mellow side. Not heard PSB, but I know they are highly rated, and the MA have a reputation for being a bit brighter because of the metal dome tweeters. Though I don't think the MA are excessively bright or in any way harsh.

    Though of limited value, here are the Monitor Audio RX8 playing Black Sabbath. They seem pretty clear and smooth - clear crisp cymbal, clear vocals, good drum snap, and decent bass within the limits of YouTube.

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    Again, you can't actually say you've heard the speaker, but you can get some vague sense of the potential.

    There is no denying something like the LS50 is a stunningly crisp clear speakers, and whether the modest bass will satisfy you is purely down to your personal desires. Many people love the LS50, they are highly reviewed and highly rated, but you have to take them for what they are.

    You can listen to the B&W, but the ideal audition would be the B&W along side the MA and the PSB so you can get a side-by-side comparison.

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    Thanks for all the brilliant replies. Sorry for not responding. I'm out of town, so now I'm typing on a tablet using my smartphone as a WiFi hotspot.

    @BlueWizard, you're absolutely right about the b&w. I went to audition the Dali Rubicon and did a head to head against the B&W CM5, and the Rubicon just blew me away.

    Anyway, I've been looking on some second hand speakers and I've found two that I can buy. But I'm torn between which to get, but the problem is trickier than that. One set of speakers are the Guru Junior in near mint condition about 18 month old. This is in south of Sweden where I'm currently spending my vacation. The other set of speakers are the Guru QM10 mk1 from 2008 in a town called Västerås. That's very far away from where I am now. They are in good condition but they have been standing unused for a year or so by its owners. I would be the third owner if I would to buy these. Price is very good on this one.

    I will audition the Guru Junior today and have to decide whether to buy them or not. So I have a very straight forward question: which one should I get?

    EDIT: clarification
     
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    Ok guys. I went for the Guru Junior. I got them for 5500 kronor and they are nearly in mint condition. I was wrong about the age, they were bought in October 2014. I'm very happy with the deal I got.

    Thanks for all your feedback. It's been very helpful.
     
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    I've not heard of GURU so I can't comment on them.

    Sorry.

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