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  1. ramoglio123

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    Dear all !
    I spent so many times on various forums and on the web, but I finally need your advice, here is my situation:
    I will move soon in a 55sqm flat, (aprx 25sqm living room), I would like to play FLAC and MP3 music from my phone and PC (without cable if possible).

    (I plan to buy a NAS and put all my tracks on it, so wifi or DLNA would be useful I guess.)
    my budget is arround 300£ to 350£ but I am looking for second hand or refurbished.

    What would be the best way to stream music from my PC (and soon NAS) without lose of quality ?

    Here are my options in terms of amp + speakers for the moment:

    Onkyo A-9010 Amplifier + Q Acoustics 3010 = 288£

    Denon RCD-M41DAB + Q Acoustics 3020 Speakers = 320£

    Marantz PM5005 + Q Acoustics 3010 Speakers = 320£

    Marantz PM5005 + Monitor Audio MASS Speakers = 310£

    Yamaha MCR-N470D = 279£

    The Yamaha seems to have more option in term of wireless, (music cast, wifi, dlna ...) but the sound quality seems inferior, is it true ?

    I would like if possible to change amend the treble bass etc settings, and I listen to many different kind of music (bossa nova, jazz, classic music, jazz, house, techno, rap, sometimes rock etc)

    What would be the best solution for me ?

    many thanks !
     
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    The Teac CR-H101 is a similar product to the Denon D-M41 with the addition of including a USB-B line-in which should enable you to gain more from the music when using PC/NAS. Used with the Q Acoustics 3020 speakers should give you something quite special thanks to the sonic ability of these speakers and the Teac's inclusion of the Burr Brown PCM1795 DAC. My only concern is the room size of 25sqm, which I would also say about the Denon, as lthis is the largest room I would like to place these stereo solution in.

    The Marantz will be a good solution with the Q Acoustics. I would leave the Mass speakers alone with the type of music you have suggested using. If you could stretch to a pair of floorstands (pushing you well over your budget) or something like the Monitor Audio MR2 speakers if bookshelf's should be considered

    For me, the best pick would be the Marantz PM5005 with the Monitor Audio MR2 speakers as a combination and maybe look at some kind of DAC similar to this one
     
  3. Paul7777x

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    I agree with Paul7777x above, I would however look at mackie mr624 over the JBL simply because they are a bigger sound, your room isn't that small (I own JBL and the previous version of the mackies)
     
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    Thank you for your answers !
    What is the use/benefit of the DAC ? between what two elements should I plug it ? (I already looked for it, but I still can not understand it)

    I will also look for the JBL solution as you said to see if I can find a good price for it because it is a lot higher than my current budget..

    Do you think that the current situation is too "low" for my living room ? As I never had hifi solutions (nor had the opportunity to test them in a shop yet) those speakers wont be able to deliver enough sound to the whole room ?
    (I would like the sound to be diffused in the room, not only in front of where I put them, will that be the case ?)

    Finally, should I completely remove the Yamaha set from the list ?

    Paul7777x, your solution seems also interesting (i found a refurbished yamaha pre amp), with those JBL speaker, will the sound be "diffused" in the living room or super directional ? (I will not be always in front and close to them)
    How can I connect the JBL and the Yamaha ? (what cables etc ?)

    Many thanks for your help
     
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    any more help ? :(
     
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    Here’s a better thought as you’re going to be using the set up as a proper hifi.

    The JBLs remain as a first class speaker by, literally, all accounts I’ve seen and read.

    Then there is this;

    Raumfeld Connector : Buy online at Teufel

    It is a streamer, NAS player and a remote control preamp. There is also an app for control and choice of stations, choice of source, volume control, and control of the various apps including the built in Spotify and built in ChromeCast.

    (As it’s a network player you can stream straight from your computer until you get your nas drive, and your phone too).

    It also uses a fine quality dac internally and has an optical output should you ever want to add a different dac in the far future.

    A very inexpensive and thorough machine. There is also a voucher number on the page to get it for £30 off. So; all you’ll need for £110.

    A little less than £310 including the JBLs.

    I genuinely do not think you can do better for that kind of money.

    As for filling your room, that won’t be a problem. The volume on good quality actives is very impressive, and very unlike poorly matched passive speakers and amp.

    There is no distortion in good actives either, as the amplifiers are built for, and attached to, each individual driver.

    5 inch drivers may seem smallish, for your room, but they will not be at all feeble. The excellent control of the cones and tailored power amps means there is a greater impact than there would be from the same sized passive set up.

    You will need a pair of these to connect the Raumfeld (or just about any preamp) to the JBLs.

    Power Dynamics 176.683 Twin Male RCA Phono to XLR Cable 3m WWA2892 5056205519866 | eBay

    You will also need 3 mains sockets available close enough; one each for the speakers and one for the preamp. Mains cables are included with both.

    A USB cable will be required for your nas drive. Type A for the raumfeld end and whatever usb connection the nas has at the other end.

    With all connected up I think you’ll be delighted. As I mentioned earlier, the size of your room will not be a problem.

    UNLESS... you crave truly club type bass, then no speaker will suit for that purpose and you’ll need to consider a subwoofer later on whatever speakers you might buy.

    Good luck. Let us all know how you get on :smashin:
     
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    Thank you very much for all your explanations !
    I tried to compare all the speakers and I think all I will go for the JBL, regarding the streamer I also compared them (and even more expensive versions) and it seems that the overall quality will be higher with the Yamaha (despite some of them having wifi or connection issues..), I plan to take a refurbished one.
    I will move in my flat during the next week, so I will not be able to order them before a few weeks,
    I will keep you updated.
    (If you have other ideas I'm still open to them :) )

    thanks
     
  13. ramoglio123

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    Hello guys !
    Finally moved in and bought the whole setup the JBL of 90£ each and the yamaha for 220£ refurbished with warranty.
    Honestly it is fantastic ! I only listened few hours so I guess it will take some times for the speaker to get to their final state
    The sound is crystal clear, the bass are sharp and deep !
    Im still trying to find the best position and direction for the speakers, but for now i am fully satisfied.
    The yamaha seems cool, not a lot of settings etc, but easy to use, the app is not perfect but enough so far for using USB or my phone memory, the bluetooth is good also.
    I listened to many different style of music these days to test them, from pop to funk to rap etc.. thank you guys, its amazing !
    (now I just need to find a good refurbished TV and the flat will be ready to receive friends :) )
     

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    I’m pleased you’re pleased sir. :thumbsup:

    The only other thing I’d suggest now is to make sure all of the “enhancements” in the Yamaha are turned off. They do not help.
     
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    I tried them: Bass extension, direct, enhancer, I think to my ears the enhancer sounds great, otherwise the sound seems a bit too flat, I also tried to yamaha in player only and not pre amp, didn't like it, i think i kind of like yamaha's signature here
     
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    Hello everyone !
    I finally bought a TV, the samsung UE40K5500,
    I would like to connect it to the yamaha, but I don't know how to do it.. the only output I have is TOSLINK and bluetooth (i tried it many times, it drops, its aweful)
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    so i was thinking about a toslink to rca dac but it will reduce to quality ?
    what do you think ? the yamaha has also a toslink output but no input unfortunately

    many thanks
     
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    The Yamaha WXC-50 is a basic Network Streaming Pre-Amp (£250) -

    Yamaha WXC-50 Network Pre-Amp - £250 -


    Yamaha MusicCast WXC50 Networked Pre Amplifier - Superfi

    This could easily be connected to some 5" Active Monitors -

    KRK Rokit RP5 G3 Active Monitors with Isolation Pads and Cables, Pair at Gear4music.com

    KRK Rokit RP5 G3 with Stands, Pair at Gear4music.com

    That is a bit over budget, but you are getting Full Network Streaming.

    The Yamaha WXC-50 Network Pre-Amp has 1x Optical In, 1x RCA Coaxial IN, and 1x Network In. That is a limited number of inputs, but it may be enough for you.

    The Yamaha HS-Series of Studio Monitors are very good, crystal clear, but a bit lacking in bass. The KRK are very clear, for the money, and have a bit more noticeable bass. Based on my personal auditions.

    There is also a version of the Yamaha WXC-50 that has Amps built in, the -

    Yamaha WCA-50 Network Amp - 50w/ch - £330-

    Yamaha MusicCast WXA50 Networked Amplifier - Superfi

    An alternative might be the Yamaha R-N303 Network Receiver - 100w/ch - £270 -

    Yamaha R-N303D Silver Hi-Fi Receiver w/ MusicCast - Streaming / Networking - AudioVisual Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Yamaha R-N303D Black Hi-Fi Receiver w/ MusicCast - Streaming / Networking - AudioVisual Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    R-N303D - Overview - HiFi Components - Audio & Visual - Products - Yamaha - UK and Ireland

    That would give you full Network Streaming and more inputs, and allow you to choose passive speakers.

    These would be good choices in passive speakers -

    Q Acoustics 3020 (Matte Graphite)

    Wharfedale DIAMOND 220 (Black)

    Cambridge Audio SX60 (Walnut)

    The 3020 and the Diamond 220 are 5" speakers, and the Cambridge SX60 are 6.5".

    £270 = Yamaha RN303D Network Amp, 100/ch, DAB/DAB+, DAC w/Optical/Coaxial
    £130 = Wharfedale Diamond 220 or Cambridge SX60
    ---------------------------------------
    £400 = Total

    The RN303 and any of these speakers are going to total - at most - £400. That's over budget, but your budget is a bit unrealistic if you want Amp, Speakers, and Streaming.

    For very basic Streaming -

    £35 = Google ChromeCast-Audio
    £250 = Yamaha AS501 Amp with DAC, 85w/ch, Optical/Coaxial
    £130/pr = Wharfedale Diamond 220 or Cambridge SX60
    ----------------------------
    £415 = Total


    The Yamaha WXC-50 Pre-Amp plus Studio Monitors are going to cost -

    £250 = Yamaha WXC-50 Network Pre-Amp
    £238 = KRK Rokit RP5 with Stands
    ---------------------------------
    £448 = Total


    Just a few ...over budget... thoughts. Though over budget, well worth the money.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    hey thanks for your message, but I already bought the speakers and the pre amp, I just added the TV and I was looking for a cheap/good device to do the toslink RCA conversion !
     
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    I can't really find an English version of this so I can't be sure what it does and doesn't do -

    Teufel Raumfeld Connector - €199 -

    Raumfeld Connector | Teufel

    steve/bluewizard
     

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