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Looking for new tv 2k budget

gerbilly

Active Member
Looking for the best tv for around 2000.
Having to replace my 2 year old LG OLED due to pretty bad screen burn.
Due to my kids watching you tube and one of them in particular leaving still images on the screen.
Both Richer Sounds and LG weren’t much use to me and I would prefer to take my business elsewhere.
I have Sky Q, Sonos Beam, 4K Apple TV connected and will eventually replace PS4 with PS5 when possible.
Can anyone advise me on this one, forgot to add looking for a 65 inch screen.
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Take a look at the LCD TVs recommended in my guide here:

With your budget you can consider top end 4k TVs like the Sony XH9505 or Samsung Q90T.

If you can wait, don't buy right now. Wait for Black Friday 2020 or later.
 

LCDseeker

Distinguished Member
Looking for the best tv for around 2000.
Having to replace my 2 year old LG OLED due to pretty bad screen burn.
Due to my kids watching you tube and one of them in particular leaving still images on the screen.
Both Richer Sounds and LG weren’t much use to me and I would prefer to take my business elsewhere.
I have Sky Q, Sonos Beam, 4K Apple TV connected and will eventually replace PS4 with PS5 when possible.
Can anyone advise me on this one, forgot to add looking for a 65 inch screen.

I highly recommend the XH9505. Can't really blame RS or LG for not helping with screen burn, it's clearly stated that it's not covered under any warranty. John Lewis now claim to provide a screen burn protection policy but I'm not taking the risk on OLED until the kids move out!
 

JustTheFacts

Active Member
Burn in on OLED TVs has practically been eliminated. There is a possibility of burn in but it is highly improbable. I am sure there are a few people who have experienced burn in on 2018 and newer OLEDS but it is a rare occurrence. Based on the few reports of burn in on 2018 and newer OLEDS you may want to consider a OLED.

I personally believe burn in on older OLEDs was primarily due to manufacturing quality and not the technology. Why else would people use their TVS in the same manner and only a very few of them experience burn in .
 
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gerbilly

Active Member
Burn in on OLED TVs has practically been eliminated. There is a possibility of burn in but it is highly improbable. I am sure there are a few people who have experienced burn in on 2018 and newer OLEDS but it is a rare occurrence. Based on the few reports of burn in on 2018 and newer OLEDS you may want to consider a OLED.

I personally believe burn in on older OLEDs was primarily due to manufacturing quality and not the technology. Why else would people use their TVS in the same manner and only a very few of them experience burn in .

mines was. It was confirmed by both Richer Sounds and LG.

Bit of an update though, Richer Sounds got in touch with me and are going to get the TV repaired for me.
I was surprised with Richer Sounds at first as I had a lot of respect for them as a company and was disappointed with the initial response.
However they have restored their rep by their response since my post was made:clap:
 

Sloppy Bob

Distinguished Member
To be fair I'd say they've done that purely out of goodwill rather than you were due anything from them.

Burn-in was a known risk and it does look like from your OP, the TV wasn't really used or cared for that well.
Hats off to RS though and a nice result for you.
 

LCDseeker

Distinguished Member
Burn in on OLED TVs has practically been eliminated. There is a possibility of burn in but it is highly improbable. I am sure there are a few people who have experienced burn in on 2018 and newer OLEDS but it is a rare occurrence. Based on the few reports of burn in on 2018 and newer OLEDS you may want to consider a OLED.

I personally believe burn in on older OLEDs was primarily due to manufacturing quality and not the technology. Why else would people use their TVS in the same manner and only a very few of them experience burn in .

It hasn't at all. If it had then manufacturers and retailers wouldn't continue to clearly state it's not covered by warranty. JL/Domestic and General wouldn't be trying to boost oled sales with a policy stating burn in is covered. Yes technology is improving, yes you can try to mitigate the risk but burn is still very real and will always be the case due to the nature of the technology.
 

JustTheFacts

Active Member
It hasn't at all. If it had then manufacturers and retailers wouldn't continue to clearly state it's not covered by warranty. JL/Domestic and General wouldn't be trying to boost oled sales with a policy stating burn in is covered. Yes technology is improving, yes you can try to mitigate the risk but burn is still very real and will always be the case due to the nature of the technology.
There are AVFORUM member's that are very opinionated on this subject. Everybody has to decide for themselves what to believe. Below are the arguments for each side.
Arguments For How Prevalent is OLED Burn In

Professional TV reviewers are incompetent and Consumer Reports Scientific Statistical Data is invalid when it comes to OLED Burn In.

Because I have experienced OLED Burn In it can't be a rare occurrence.

Because I have experienced OLED Burn In it is pandemic and everybody will get OLED Burn In sooner or later.

There are to many cases on you tube and social media for OLED Burn In to not be a pandemic problem.

I know a lot about pixels and TV technology and I say OLED Burn In is a problem.

If OLED Burn In wasn't a problem then LG would provide a 10 year warranty like Samsung does for their LCDs.

The professional TV Reviewers opinions can't be trusted. They are in on a big conspiracy with LG to minimize the OLED Burn In issue. Professional TV reviewers have to suck up to LG in order to get special recognition at CES.

Gadgetobsessed AVForums poll shows burn in is at 35 percent for certain years.

Curry's and all of the other stores that sell TVs are in on a big conspiracy. They know that a huge number of their TVs are returned for OLED Burn In and they don't report it to the general public.

LG knows that their OLED panels are prone to burn in and they are conning all the other TV manufacturers to use their panels and manufacturer OLED TVs.

Sure would help if LG was more upfront about OLED Burn In.

The most reliable source of information on OLED Burn In is obtained from people on social media that have actually experienced OLED Burn In.

Warranty Arguments

If LG won't provide an unlimited warranty for OLED Burn In then they know it is a problem otherwise they would provide an unlimited warranty.

A 5 year warranty for all TVs regardless of the problem (not just burn in) seems fair to me. We need to start pressing for a 5 year warranty for every TV manufactured whether it is an LED or an OLED. If the LED and OLED manufactures won’t give a 5 year warranty for their TVs we need to sue them. If a TV doesn’t last for 5 trouble free years then it is not fit for purpose.
The good thing about a warranty like this is that it would get rid of the poor quality TV manufacturers. We could bankrupt Vizio, Hisense, RCA, Westinghouse, and Element as they would have to repair or replace over 20 percent of their TVs. Even Sony, Samsung, and LG would have a hard time as their failure rate is around 10 percent in the first 5 years. It is time TV Manufacturers start paying attention.

Useful facts from dodgexander:
  • The risk of burn in with OLEDs is actually less than it was in the Plasma days. It's no more likely to happen now than then.
  • Its not only OLEDs that can suffer from burn in, abuse any type of display (even LCD) and you can get burn in. Just take a look at some of the old LCDs in pubs.
  • Youtube is full of people claiming to be experts and misleading people, do not believe everything you watch on Youtube. I don't want to name and shame but there are some really laughable content creators out there who literally will say anything to make a few extra views. Do not believe their rubbish! I am sure if you read this, you know the kind of channels I am talking about.
OLED Burn In Tests Arguments

Vincent Teoh's test is pathetic.

rtings.com tests prove OLED Burn In is a serious issue.

Vincent Teohs tests show OLED Burn In is is overblown.

Rtings.com real life OLED Burn In test won't be worth much value for current Oled TV buyers. The six outdated LG C7 TVs they are using for their test don't have the logo luminance adjuster that exists on the C8 and C9 TVs.

Logo Luminance Adjustment - detects static logos on the screen and reduces brightness to prevent permanent image retention.

Vincent Teoh used an E8 TV for his test. This is a more accurate test for 2018 and newer models.
https://www.*/n/Extensive-Testing-Shows-OLED-Burn-In-Risk-Is-Overblown

From Rtings.com*
Although we don't expect most people who watch varied content to have any issues, OLED TVs, such as the LG OLED C9 do have the possibility of experiencing burn in.

Vincent Teoh
OLED Burn In Risk is Overblown

Consumer Reports
Their statistical data shows that OLED Burn In is such a rare occurence that they don't even mention it as anything to be concerned with except for some 2015 OLED TVs.
Data on 97,554 TVs owned by Consumer Reports members who purchased a new set between 2010 and 2018 has been collected. Many of these TVs are OLEDs. If Burn In was a common problem I am sure Consumer Reports would mention it.

Geoffrey Morrison and David Katzmaier of CNET
If you vary your TV viewing habits like most people, however, it won't be an issue. Even so, caveat emptor. Or as Caesar once said, "Conscientiam autem ardeat sed non anxius" (be aware of burn-in, but not concerned).

John Archer of Forbes
Occurrences of permanent screen burn in the real consumer world are now and will continue to be rare.

Unopinionated of Bothell
I personally believe burn in on older OLEDs was primarily due to manufacturing quality and not the technology. Why else would people use their TVS in the same manner and only a very few of them experience burn in .

If you fear burn in do not buy an OLED TV. Life is to short to be anxious and have to babysit your TV.

There are different opinions on OLED burn in. Hopefully the points from each side will help you come to your own opinion.
 
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gerbilly

Active Member
A wee update on this.

Guys came to collect tv today to take to LG.

However when I got the tv the power cable was too short for wall mounting. The guy who installed it for me removed the LG plug and fitted an extension to the cable and it has been up on my wall for 2 years.

However the guys who were collecting it to resolve the screen burn issue would have had to remove the plug on the power cable to get the tv off the wall and they wouldn’t do it, which I understand.

So don’t know if LG will still do the repair.
 

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