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Looking for another LCD TV

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by HitmanIP7, Dec 5, 2004.

  1. HitmanIP7

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    After taking back the Logik 27" TV I got from Curry's (mainly due to a weird buzzing problem, but also because I wasn't happy with the picture) I have now decided to go for another LCD TV, instead of a CRT one.

    This is going to be for my bedroom, so it doesn't need to be massive. 22 - 23" really.

    The ones Im currently considering:

    Samsung LW22A13WX (top of my list at the moment due to price, and the fact it has DVI input)

    Sony KLVL23M1B (Ive always liked Sony products ;))

    JVC LT23C50

    JVC LT23E31 (the only difference I can see between this and the above model are the specs)

    LG RZ23LZ40
     
  2. HitmanIP7

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    Im trying to find some reviews of the above LCD's, but can't find any anywhere :(
     
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    Good luck finding one of them, sony uk aren't expecting any untill next year, so I've had to settle on a silver one (a lot of places are selling out of the silver one too), should be here next week. I had the same problem finding reviews for it too.
     
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    EDIT - Something messed up.........
     
  5. iSix

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    I just noticed you have the LG RZ23LZ40 from 247 in your list.... don't even bother. Took 247 a month to deliver mine (after several phone calls) and then they delivered it on a day we specified it must *not* arrive.
    The screen was pretty pants, the PQ was terrible, lots of artifacts and very patchy brightness, it also made a high pitched whine.
    The only good thing about 247 was after I told them what I thought of them and the screen they collected it the next day and a full refund (including all delivery costs) was issued within 2 days.
     
  6. HitmanIP7

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    Thanks for the warning iSix, the LG was the bottom of my list anyways.

    :D Griffbo, did you post in the wrong thread? :laugh:
     
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    iSix, do you know if the Sony has a PC input on it?

    If it does, then that would be the one Id go for.
     
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    The sony 04-05 catalogue says it has no pc input :( (4 av inputs, 0 pc inputs)

    My choice was between the sony klv-l23m1 and the toshiba 23wl46, the tosh had pc input, but had no component input and wasn't hdtv compatable, whereas the sony was hdtv compatable and had component input, which was more important to me than pc input, so I chose the sony. :)

    I'm actually buying the sony 'blind' because no-where locally has got any in stock for me to look at, and can't get any untill next year, so I figured if they're selling faster than sony can produce them, then there can't be a lot wrong with them :D
     
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    Sharp Aquos range is the best, but pricey.
     
  10. HitmanIP7

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    Thanks :)

    I found some where which said they have HDMI input on them, and you can get DVI to HDMI cables, so you should be able to connect it to a PC. But Im not sure if it would appear as a monitor or not.
     
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    The US model (klv-23m1 - note: no l before the 23) has hdmi IIRC, the UK version has these inputs:
    2xscart (1 rgb, 1 s-video)
    component video (+sound)
    s-video

    I have one sat on my desk right now :)
    PQ is great on a dvd running at 576p on the component input (via some crap cables because my good ones haven't arrived yet :(), RGB scart from a sony DTT STB is good too, and it sounds pretty good, nice and clear with a bit of bass (I wasn't too hopeful about the sound from an lcd tv, but this is better than my toshiba crt)
     
  12. HitmanIP7

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    Okay, thanks for that. I guess I have to decide whether I want to run this from a HTPC, or a regular DVD player then.

    Is the picture really good quality? No blurring? etc Any chance of some pics :)
     
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    The quality is good from about 60cm away, from about 2-3m away it's perfect, I haven't noticed any blurring, but I haven't had time to play with it yet :p

    [Here's] a rather crap photo from the STB, I'll try and do some better ones tomorrow in daylight (pics are too dark and grainy without the flash on, and with the flash it blanks out the picture on the screen)
     
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    Thanks iSix :)

    I dont, and probably wont ever, be getting Sky in my bedroom. So it doesn't really matter. It's for watching DVD's and playing my GameCube mainly. ;)
     
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    I once saw the sony 23" in a sony store, one connected to analogue and another on freeview. The picture on both was probably one of the worst I have seen on an LCD. The samsung on the other hand, I have been keeping an eye out for this for some time since it has good connections (hdcp by DVI) and I have seen it around for £650. I just am not sure if 22" is big enough for me or to go for a 26/27" like the new toshiba 27" with dvi input. I also heard somewhere that the toshiba 27" has hdcp input by DVI though I am not sure of that.
     
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    Hitman - I have the Sony KLVL23M1B (couple of weeks old). It does have some good features and is HDTV ready but PQ leaves a little to be desired. I would say it would be adequate for a bedroom. However, I would also suggest you look seriously at Toshiba. I had the Tosh 20VL43P and nothing could beat it for PQ full stop. I have been half tempted to put the Sony in the classifieds... but am too lazy. I've heard the Sony PQ improves with DVD through a decent cable, but haven't had chance to test that yet. Best bet is for you to demo, demo and get the shops to show you different options.
     
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    I will try and get some demos some time, hopefully there's a Sony shop locally :)

    I saw the Samsung in another shop, so Im going to go back and have a look at that.
     
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    Sorry mate but the KLVL23M1B is not HDTV ready as it does not have HDMI or a DVI with HDCP?
     
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    I wonder why the American on got the HDMI one and we didn't? I think thats a bit unfair really
     
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    Jim - Interesting because I own one and it says it is HDTV ready (big sticker on the front that I still haven't removed because it's only been out of the box a couple of times). You are correct however in that it does not have HDMI/DVI ports, so I'm not quite sure how it is supposed to work.
     
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    Surely you could connect this to a PC via a VGA to component converter?

    The point of an LCD TV to me really, is that it has a PC input for a HTPC, as well as all the other normal inputs.
     
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    Too right! And a lot of Sony LCDs don't even have a VGA input. It's a very short-sighted view of the market in my opinion.

    I think the good thing about Sky announcing that displays will need HDCP support to show their HD content is that it will drive manufacturers to include digital connections in their displays.

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    Yes it is, on the component input, just because it's not compatable with sky hdtv, dosen't mean it isn't hdtv ready.

    [Another] photo, it's impossible to take good photos of an LCD, go and see if you can have a demo somewhere, and make sure they set it up properly.
     
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    ISIX - Cool thanks. Ca you give me any tips on tuning the picture. It's still at factory presets. Is there anything which improves the pixelation or smoothness? I've heard this unit has good PQ via DVD but at the moment am just watching terestrial TV and am not entriely impressed.
     

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    jimg is refering to the fact that Sky's HDTV service will not be available on component connectors, only on digital HDCP connectors. This was only announced last week.

    James
     
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    It only arrived yesterday and I've been too busy to fiddle with it at the moment. I'm waiting for my wall bracket to be made before I set it up properly.

    So...?
    He said it's not hdtv compatable which is wrong, when what he *really* meant is it's not compatable with sky hdtv, Other high definition sources that provide component output will work fine.
     
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    Agreed I said SKY HD output, but I beleive that there is a drive to use HDCP. Of course you can input a HD signal via component, but does the Sony support HDCP via it's component feed? If not there is a danger that many future HD feeds will be off limits.
     
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    I think the danger is that component HD is going to be short lived anyway.

    HD whether it uses HDCP or not is virtually certain to involve DVI or HDMI in some way.

    Sony have messed up with their description.

    It IS HD ready but only on the basis that it could accept an HD component signal.

    What it WON'T be is HDTV ready. Sky will set the way forward on this. Freeview will play catch up but I doubt many UK broadcasters would depart from the specs Sky have outlined.

    All of which means Sony will be dead in the water with this type of product.

    Sad really as I thought the WEGA engine was great.
     
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    By the time that happens, LCD technology will have advanced, there will possibly be a new 'flavour' of input connector and prices will have dropped so it'll probably be time for a new screen anyway :)
     

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