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London HiFi Show @ Hammersmith

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by MikeC, Sep 15, 2001.

  1. MikeC

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    for anyone who is going or considering going to the show (Novotel in Hammersmith) on Sunday 16th here is a short note of what to expect on the projector front.

    Absolute Sounds - needless to say a great demo with all Krell electronics. They were showing a Dwin Transvision on a 4:3 screen which I thought pretty good (by my inexperinced eye). The clip shown was from 15 minutes I believe. Only downside was the dreaded rainbow effect which I regularly see.

    Path Premier - the best demo. Had the Mark Levinson No 40, PMDT with (I suspect) an SDI output fed into Snell & Willcox Interpolator and then into the Madrigal MP9 which was pretty awesome. Showed several clips - Dinosaur, Pleasantville from DVD. Best bit was their DVHS recordings from USA at 1080i and 5.1ch. Fantastic. Worth going to the show just to see this demo (40 minutes long - tickets only so get there early).<br />They also supplied (free) popcorn !

    Energy / Mirage - had a Barco Cinemax which was in partial light and wasn't as good as it should have been.

    Kef - had new range of Reference speakers and demoed a 7.1 system with a Sim2 HT250 with an iScan doubler. Showed Corrs (MTV disc) plus another disc. Image was ok but not overly sharp and colours were muted but this could have been the disc. Also suffered from the rainbow effect.

    B4 had a full room of reconditioned Pjs.

    Worth a look for £8 if u r in the area.

    Mike
     
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    gordon has a thread over on the general forum . he sounds rather underwelmed by the whole thing

    i supose when you have seen as many well setup pjs as him the is'nt much that excites him to much . especialy after the event which sounded like a real blast <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
     
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    I was underwhelmed by some things.

    The "Absolute" room was a joke when I went in on Thursday at lunchtime. Initialy they were playing the DLP with the the lights on. Then they turned them off but opened the door at the back of the room where their "hospitality" area was and we were treated to a nice bright shaft of light washing out the screen again....and I've already mentioned we had Bond in the wrong aspect ratio and no-one seemed to notice. There was even a dealer in front of me who thought it was a good dem.....

    The CineMAX was in a high light area and on a 10ft wide screen by my reconing. It was still a VERY bright image! I want a Cinemax at home and a 10ft wide screen...now! However, I make this comment only because I've seen what it can really do. There were nasty de-interlacing artifacts on the show unit as they were playing video based material through it's internal video processor. Something most owners wouldn't do I'd think. They were a speaker distributor anyway so video wasn't what they were trying to sell.

    I agree about the MP-9 though. It was definately the best sound and picture cinema wise there. I felt the projector had the geometry set wrong on DVD sources but I may just be paranoid. It had colour done correctly and detail a plenty. For those of you who saw my Pleasantville dem in the CineMAX room I can tell you that the MP-9 and Interpolator produced a wonderful image. It was being fed SDI as suggested. Text was clear and the lower resolution of the MP-9 masked the mpeg artifacts on the disc making it a nicer watchable image. When they put on "The Piano" thing with Billy Joel it brought a gasp from most of those dealers in the room with me at the time. It was at 1080i and you could see interlace artifacts but for the most part the sheer 3d look and detail was enough to make you completely forget them. The chap from PATH was telling folk it was 720P at first...don't know why. At the next Event we'll show you HI-Def...

    I don't think I commented on the KEF room's av sound or picture as it was appalling when I was there. Too much light, washed out rainbowing image crap sound. I left after 2 minutes.To be fair though unless they had another dedicated room it couldn't be anything but this. Why don't these big manufacturers do a room full of equipment and a dedicated nutter dem room?

    I had a look at the Path Premier price list on the way up the road on Friday. £60,000 for a MP-9. Well, they must do LOTS to a Christie 9500LC to add £32000 to its price!.......

    I found it entertaining to see a few hi-fi manufacturers grudgingly trying to do home cinema with plasma's or whatever they could get a loan of. At least Path and Absolute had a go along with Energy. Perhaps next year we'll see others try a bit harder.

    Gordon<br />P.S. Never got to hear them yet but the Linn Komrie actually looks much nicer in the flesh than I thought it would.
     
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    Speaking someone who exhibited at the show it was much smaller than last year due to Live going to Birmingham this year.<br />I was surprised how few display devices were used. (Yes I know it was a HiFi show)<br />The MP-9 looked stunning I agree, but the product designer setup it up and it was in a blacked out tent which helps enormously. Video element was over £100,000 (without the HD)

    The Cinemax was not at its best. Don't be temped to use LiMo pro to run on one of these and switch the lights off.
     
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    I was quite surprised no-one was showing a Sony VPL VW1* at all (unless I missed it that is).

    Gordon, the 'Absoulute' dem was better done on Saturday with no superfluous light from unwanted sources. <br />Re Kef, sound-wise I thought it was pretty good. They were using their new Reference 205 models retailing at a cool £4K a pair ....

    Roland, I'm surprised u say that there were fewer exhibitors this year (compared to last year) due to the B'ham event. Last year the Live 2000 event was the same weekend as the HiFi show IIRC whereas the Live event is this weekend (?).

    Anyway, to all those who went hope u enjoyed it. As ever it proved that a fair amount of time & effort needs to go into setting up a pj and even the 'pros' can get it wrong..

    Mike

    P.S. if only 'Event Part deux' could be closer to home ...
     
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    Mike: I am considering it. I have many ideas. There are several issues though that need resolved before I put my name to it.

    I will say this though. The worst picture at the Event (once set up properly) was better than all pictures at hi-fi show bar Roland and Madrigal. The next EVENT by me will be a mind fu**.

    Gordon
     
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    Roland - my thoughts were really that most exhibitors had (? maybe not) to choose one or t'other event since they were on at the same time. <br />I recall Tag and a number of others going to Live which I thought was surprising. But u could be right - I was too tight to buy a program so cannot compare it to last year.<br />I do indeed re-call on the journey back on the tube seeing people with Live carrier bags.

    Incidentally - is this event worth going to Projector wise or is it a dead loss ?

    I always find it amusing that the Sound'and'Vision show in Bristol has a poorer turn-out of projectors (but does have the odd plasma or 2).

    Mike

    P.S. getting to the HiFi show just before it opens, you are presented with a 100+ yard queue to get in. A short while later a bloke comes along saying 'Cash customers come this way please'. Absolutely no-one moves. Everyone has freebie tikets off HiFi News. One wonders how much money the show makes... there again, i remember when it was free...

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    As with all shows its a mater of what the market will stand. This was after all a HiFi show, complaining about how many PJ's were there is tricky.

    Not sure how many you will see at Live I know there will be one decent Barco 1209 CRT set up at least.

    Bristol I've always thought was good for PJ's. Manchester too

    The exhibitors always pay for the shows. It cost us about £2500 + expenses (coffee was £1.10p) to go to HiFi Show for a bedroom 3mx5m so you can imagine what the big boys had to pay.
     

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