Logos?

These are known as dogs (digital on screen graphics).On satellite BBC-HD has a very discrete graphic on some content but dramas are normally dog free. ITV1-HD has a dog on HD content but not on upscaled SD content. Can't answer for Freeview but I imagine it will be the same. Not sure about C4-HD (it's not on Freesat) whether it's a full time dog or only on true HD transmissions. Seeing as how they have a dog on SD I imagine it will be the former.
 
The Channel 4 DOG on Freeview is the usual "wire" outline of 4HD
 
Oh well - I'll bump getting HD a long way down the priority list then.

Thanks for the info.
 
Oh well - I'll bump getting HD a long way down the priority list then.

Thanks for the info.

I presume you watch nothing but BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, Channel 4 and Five then as every other digital channel has a DOG. All the HD ones are now quite transparent and not as noticeable as, say, the BBC Three DOG.
 
I presume you watch nothing but BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, Channel 4 and Five then as every other digital channel has a DOG.
Yes - I do only watch those (actually, not 5, as that has one). And I'm pretty sure that Film4 is unsullied.


All the HD ones are now quite transparent and not as noticeable as, say, the BBC Three DOG.
"Not as noticeable" still means "noticeable", and that, for me, is completely unacceptable.

People wouldn't put up with it at the cinema, or the theatre, or the opera etc. They wouldn't appreciate a museum or art gallery logo stuck over the corner of a painting. They wouldn't want to hear a voice constantly murmuring the station ID when listening to a radio programme.

DOGs are obtrusive and damaging, and I also find the imputation that I'm too stupid to know which channel I've chosen to watch deeply offensive.

If someone made a black box which would process the signal to remove the DOG I'd buy it like a shot, but until then I'll stick to channels which don't vandalise the picture and don't tell me that I'm too thick to remember which buttons I pressed on the remote.
 
DOGs are obtrusive and damaging, and I also find the imputation that I'm too stupid to know which channel I've chosen to watch deeply offensive.
I was under the impression that this was not their purpose, rather to give an identification to the source of pirated material.
 
I was under the impression that this was not their purpose, rather to give an identification to the source of pirated material.

No. In fact the DOG is often removed during material likely to be pirated.

Strangely, it is to remind people of the channel they are watching.

If you are brave, have a look at some of the more downmarket TV forums. The number of people who don't know which channel broadcasts a programme is quite an eye opener.

The theory behind them is that they are at the periphery where our eyes only see something if it moves. Of course once you know its there you might find your eye focussing on it. Indeed, some channels have introduced occasional movement into the DOG, in order to stop them being ignored.

Personally, I'm not aware of most DOGs. I can imagine if you find them distracting it must be most infuriating.
 
ban-all-sheds
You're a person after my own heart.
I absolutely detest these intrusive things but, after years of putting up with them I have succumbed to their inevitability.
That said, I find the FIVE logo to be so intrusive that I no longer watch FIVE and have deleted it from my channel list.
 
If you are brave, have a look at some of the more downmarket TV forums. The number of people who don't know which channel broadcasts a programme is quite an eye opener.
I am not that thick, and I resent being treated as if I am.

And anyway - knowing which channel you're watching won't help you find a programme if you don't know which channel it's on.


The theory behind them is that they are at the periphery where our eyes only see something if it moves.
I can see how that theory might hold water with the more transparent ones, but some of them - jeez.


Of course once you know its there you might find your eye focussing on it.
Yes.


Indeed, some channels have introduced occasional movement into the DOG, in order to stop them being ignored.
Including, to their utter shame, some of the BBC children's channels. As if there wasn't already a big problem with children developing short attention spans and an inability to concentrate and focus - let's continually distract them.

It will, eventually, just hasten the demise of any TV higher than the lowest-common-denominator stuff designed to appeal to the window-lickers who don't even know which channel they are watching, as it will breed more and more people unable to cope with any challenging intellectual or cultural value on TV whatsoever.


Personally, I'm not aware of most DOGs. I can imagine if you find them distracting it must be most infuriating.
It is.
 
I absolutely detest these intrusive things but, after years of putting up with them I have succumbed to their inevitability.
The day that are no longer any TV channels without them is the day that I stop watching TV for ever.

Yes - seriously.
 
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Yes - I do only watch those (actually, not 5, as that has one). And I'm pretty sure that Film4 is unsullied.



"Not as noticeable" still means "noticeable", and that, for me, is completely unacceptable.

People wouldn't put up with it at the cinema, or the theatre, or the opera etc. They wouldn't appreciate a museum or art gallery logo stuck over the corner of a painting. They wouldn't want to hear a voice constantly murmuring the station ID when listening to a radio programme.

DOGs are obtrusive and damaging, and I also find the imputation that I'm too stupid to know which channel I've chosen to watch deeply offensive.

If someone made a black box which would process the signal to remove the DOG I'd buy it like a shot, but until then I'll stick to channels which don't vandalise the picture and don't tell me that I'm too thick to remember which buttons I pressed on the remote.

I totally agree, they are unacceptable and very annoying. I've been known to buy DVDs of a series because it has moved to a logo'd channel, plus the higher numbers are even worse picture quality! If you buy and sell on Ebay you end up paying nothing, but get to watch logo free and ad free in better quality. Although due to TV companies and credit squeeze you get the issue now of credits running for the first 5-10 minutues over the start of the program, equally annoying!

The reason for HD logos is all to do with copy protection, I was told by ITV very bluntly that while they agreed not all viewers wanted the HD logo, it was going no where!

At least the BBC do turn it off for dramas, although the Frankie Howard drama had it, perhaps they classed that as a comedy program? The new HD channel that will just be an upscaled BBC1 will also be logo'd :( Also they get our children used to them from a very young age.

Regards

Phil
 
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Have to say i also hate D.O.G's.

They absolutely ruin HD Films and Drama on the new HD channels and i refuse to watch them when this 'digital graffiti' is being forced upon me.

Luckily i'm a member of Lovefilm.com - so i just rent my Drama and Film on Blu ray discs from them instead. Much better to watch a drama series several episodes at a time anyway. :D

Speaking of which i recently bought the Fox T2 HD Freeview box and, even though i was initially disappointed with the LOGO's on the HD channels, i still enjoyed the World Cup, Wimbledon and the recent Athletics - which all look great in HD - and the LOGOs don't bother me anywhere near as much on those types of 'live' presentations.
 
It's a small and self-selecting sample to be sure, but it it looks like there'd be a market for a box which processes the signal and removes the DOGs. It would only work for the transparent ones where the original pixel values could be calculated - it wouldn't be rocket science.

The biggest challenge would be keeping ahead of the inevitable attempts by the TV companies to change the shape or position of the logo. You'd need pattern recognition s/w - static pixel references would be too easy for them to defeat.
 
You could just use the zoom function on your tv move them off screen. Shame you find them so annoying though, do you get distracted by the tax disc in the corner of your car windscreen?
 
You could just use the zoom function on your tv move them off screen. Shame you find them so annoying though, do you get distracted by the tax disc in the corner of your car windscreen?

Zoom? - Not on 16:9 transmissions.
Presumably the tax disc comparison was in jest? :)
I find that I watch ITV SD over HD purely because of the DOG on HD.
 
They do seem kind of unnecessary, seeing as if you want to find out what channel you're watching these days you just press the 'i' button or look at the front of your Digibox.

If someone can't figure out what TV channel they're watching then that's their silly fault.
 
Whilst I also hate DOGs, I think we may as well get used to them. Virtually all TV channels across the globe now use them and they are slowly becoming the norm over here now as well. I think we are very much in the minority here in the UK.
 
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Whilst I also hate DOGs, I think we may as well get used to them. Virtually all TV channels across the globe now use them and they are slowly becoming the norm over here now as well. I think we are very much in the minority here in the UK.

Indeed, which is why once-upon-a-time people said the UK had the best TV, now we have over compressed blocky Freeview full of shopping channels and even soft porn with programs covered in DOGs like cheap USA cable. Some call it progress I suppose :confused:

I know we have to get used to it, but that makes it no less depressing witnessing the decline of one the few things that Britain was once envied for.

Regards

Phil
 
Whilst I also hate DOGs, I think we may as well get used to them. Virtually all TV channels across the globe now use them and they are slowly becoming the norm over here now as well. I think we are very much in the minority here in the UK.
I am absolutely serious about this:

The day that there are no channels without those smears of DOGs***t over the picture, and if nobody by then is selling a device to remove them, is the day that I stop watching TV.

I've stopped watching F1 because of all the excrescences, and I have stopped watching BBC news on digital because of the red button disfigurement.

We would not put up with it on the radio, we would not put up with it at the cinema, we would not put up with it at the theatre, we would not put up with it at the opera and we should not put up with it on TV.
 
We would not put up with it on the radio, we would not put up with it at the cinema, we would not put up with it at the theatre, we would not put up with it at the opera and we should not put up with it on TV.

but at the cinema you are paying £12+ per film, at that price i would be annoyed but at the cost of the Tv license a year i can't see a reason to complain. I agree they are annoying but not to the point of missing some very good content just because it had 5 letters in the corner. I was quite happy to have BBConeHD in the corner for the indiana jones films as the rest of the picture looked better than on our DVD's
 
You can press the green button to remove the red disfigurement as you call it.
 
but at the cinema you are paying £12+ per film, at that price i would be annoyed but at the cost of the Tv license a year i can't see a reason to complain.
The annoyance does not vary according to the price I have paid.

Either the picture is defaced or it is not.

They seem to manage to transmit BBC1 & BBC2 without disfiguring the picture, and that's paid for by the licence fee, so clearly it is not a finance issue.


I agree they are annoying but not to the point of missing some very good content just because it had 5 letters in the corner.
Once the Destructive Onscreen Graffiti is added the content is no longer good - it's been turned into complete rubbish.



You can press the green button to remove the red disfigurement as you call it.
Well I never knew that.

RTFM... :blush:
 
The BBC OneHD DOG is an example of one of the best. It virtually completely disappears on light backgrounds.

With films, the HD channels appear to be transmitting in the original formats so the 4HD DOG sits over the main image in the black bar. I suppose if that bothers you too much you could always get one of those Philips "superwide" sets.
 
The day that are no longer any TV channels without them is the day that I stop watching TV for ever.

Yes - seriously.

If your value of the wide range of programmes that TV has to offer is that low I am surprised you watch it at all. I agree over-intrusive DOGS can be a bit annoying, but there are far more offensive things in life than that. For my money I'd like a gadget that eliminates Simon Cowell, but the 'off' button remedies that one.

I presume you do not watch any TV carrying adverts.

I'm surprised you did not know how to remove the 'red button disfigurement'. What do you expect the BBC to do to inform you that extra services are available, particularly if there is additional material connected with the programme you have just watched? Send you an Email perhaps.
 
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