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Living with the Nissan Leaf....6 month update!

Discussion in 'Hybrid, PHEV & EV Electric Cars Forum' started by gangzoom, Apr 6, 2015.

  1. un1eash

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    Having just moved from a 1.6 diesel 308 to the Leaf, and just driven the 308 2 days ago, I'm speaking from experience. At lower speeds the 308 feels like it has more lift available but at higher speeds the Leaf would leave it for dead.
     
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    What does that compare with though?
    Without a comparison it's meaningless.
    9.9 seconds to 60mph and 17.3 seconds to 78mph doesn't suggest a fast car.
     
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    But it feels so different :D
     
  5. FZR400RRSP

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    I can't argue with that, I wouldn't know.
    But feeling fast and being fast are two different things.
     
  6. un1eash

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    No comparison, just figures suggesting it isn't a particularly fast car even from a rolling start.
     
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    --------6 Months update-----------

    So I’ve not been on this forum much for the last few months, but I’ll update how things are going with the Leaf 6 months on.

    First thing to say is my impressions of the Leaf hasn’t changed from the first test drive, as another new owner has pointed out, the BIGGEST for me loving the Leaf is the way it drives. It’s not fast, but than again I wouldn’t call my old BMW 335i fast stock either, still that’s not the point. The Leaf FEELs quick, and its good fun to drive. You can put numbers and figures on the tables as much as you like, but until you’ve driven an EV you really have no idea.

    My biggest problem with the Leaf remains keeping the miles down. Was way over my target monthly PCP millage limit again last month, and this month have a 200 and 300 mile round trip coming up!!

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    The issue of range/charging is still a non-issue for me. I don’t drive long distance that regularly and for my day to day use the Leaf if perfect. Infact plugging in to charge at home is much easier than finding a petrol station. We’ve even taken the Leaf on a few 200 miles trips to see the in-laws, and we charged up using Ecotricity rapid chargers at service stations without any issue.

    Costwise, there’s not much to say, I do about 50% of my charging at public charging sites (free at present), but even with charging at home the costs are low £2 for every 100 miles.

    Overall I love the Leaf, its 100% changed my perceptions on cars, and I have absolute no interest in petrol/diesel cars. I still cannot believe 6 months ago I was still driving around in a petrol car, but now when ever I get into even our Lexus hybrid and the petrol engine kicks in it just reminds me how crude the internal combustion engine compared to the electric motor.

    Infact even my wife is now convinced that EV is the way forwards, though she still wants to hold on to her Lexus - which make sense since we bought it brand new, and selling it 6 month after buying it is a sure way to loss ££££ in depreciation. But the Lexus will be the last car we buy in the household with a petrol engine. Even my parent-in laws are looking at an i3 as a replacement for their mini.

    The biggest challenge for the Leaf will be over the next 6 month of Autumn/Winter, I suspect it’ll behave perfectly well.

    But I cannot see us keeping the Leaf beyond it’s 2 year PCP/lease deal. I’ve given in and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model S, and in addition the Tesla Model X is finally due to start US production this month. Providing the Model X isn’t priced too much of a premium over a Model S this may well be the car to replace the Leaf. Currently there is a 20,000+ waiting list, and UK deliveries aren’t due to start till late 2016 - in reality that means Q1 2017, which is exactly when my Leaf deal ends.

    The Model X will be hideously expensivly, but it’s combination of large carrying ability, fancy doors, EV drivetrain, real life range of >200 miles on a single charge, and Tesla hinting at the possibly of future battery upgrades as technology improves it may well be the last car I buy. Yes that may seem ‘boring’ but if the car delivers everything I want interms of performance, usability, and cheap running costs, why would I want to replace it??

    We'll see how things go, 2017 is still 18 months away, which in the world of EVs is a life time of development.


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    It's always nice to read about someone who is happy with the car that they are driving and maybe even striving for. good luck to you Gangzoom from another driver who is very happy with his car, although mine is a SUV diesel not electric.
     
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    Your going to be blown away by the model s , we had one as a taxi in Amsterdam , amazing bit of kit !!!
     
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    I'm willing to concede the lack of noise makes a Leaf feel faster.
    I get the same impression when I bother to wear earplugs under my helmet on the bike.
    It's like your mind is concentrating on the feel of acceleration, rather than distracted by the usual cacophony associated with it.
     
  11. lovegroova

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    An EV feels fast because of the power output characteristics of the engine.

    Remember, acceleration is proportional to power output. This applies to electric and ICE engines.
    An EV reaches it's peak power pretty much immediately (I posted some dyno charts recently to illustrate) so peak acceleration happens from low speeds (in fact pretty much from any speed).
    An ICE engine doesn't reach its peak acceleration until high rpms where the peak power is (doesn't matter whether it's petrol or diesel or what the entirely misleading peak torque at xxxx rpm is). Peak power is only reached briefly before a gear change is made (unless you have a CVT) and then you are using less than peak power once again.

    The Leaf doesn't have a particularly high power output hence the 0-60 times are relatively slow.

    The Tesla does have a high power output hence the 0-60 times are faster than pretty much anything, never mind something so heavy.
     
  12. Dony

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    I wonder will this become a more familiar sight as EV's grow in popularity and charging stations are at a premium? No excuse for the numpty parked in the wrong space, but I'm sure it happens often when the carpark is busy.

    This picture was taken today in my local shopping centre (not by me).

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    What am I looking at, the Leaf kerb mounted to access the charger?
     
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    Yes
    The better option would have been to park behind the idiot that's parked in the EV bay, thereby blocking them in, but presumably the cable not long enough.
    The Leaf owner is taking a big chance parking like that.
     
  15. Dony

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    The Leaf is parked on the footpath to the entrance of the shopping centre. There's another shopping centre opposite, so it's a very busy walkway between the two.
     
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    His desperation to get 'fuel' for his car shouldn't mean common bloody sense and decency goes out the window.
    Deserves to get done.
     
  17. DrPhil

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    I have a 10m cable for instances like that.

    The temptation of course is just to block the other person in but I'd be half expecting to come back and find my lights kicked in.
     
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    They'd have to be spectacularly stupid to kick your lights in when they can't escape.
     
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    Also I thought ev early adopters would be a bit more chill :)
     
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    Hug a tree.
    Batter a charge point abuser.
     
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    Except it would be the inconsiderate person who has parked their ICE vehicle in the EV space who'd be doing the kicking in Dr Phil's example.
     
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    Blocked in by the impatient EV driver :p
     
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    Are these the current figures for the leaf? Looks like I'll pass on that then!
    Similar to a low cc diesel.
    Would be more curious about 30-70 times I guess.

    Great writeup above gangzoom. Keep the info coming.
     
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    It may not be fast in numbers terms but it feels fast , it's hard to describe , how about getting a test drive and passing comment on it .....
     
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    The acceleration of the Leaf never leaves you feeling wanting particularly. Not the quickest car in the world but more than keeps up with traffic in general.
     
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    Stop gap until the all new model launch in 2017 (ish) I suspect.
     
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    Not so much stop gap as evolution ....
     
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    No news on whether Sunderland is going to be making the new leaf , just found out we are making the new juke though , Infiniti coming online in October , rumour has it that qashqai is going to be produced on both lines , let the good times roll !!!
     

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