Living with the Kef 202c

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by Steve.EX, Jul 23, 2002.

  1. Steve.EX

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    Having owned this for about 2.5 months or so hear are my thoughts, this was purchased on a routine borrowing of kit, when placed beneath my old Kef tdm 23c alongside a borrowed Kef 100c sitting on anther borrowed Kef 200c (all connected one at a time to a Tag av32r 192 and Denon poa 6600 mono-block) it took about 2 seconds to realise i was not going to be able to give it back and carry on with my 23c. when used with the Denon (a VERY good mono-block, some [email protected]/[email protected]) it produced an effortless and genuinely quite rare "out of the enclosure" sound for a center, just recently however i purchased a Rotel rb993 (3 x [email protected] THX) power-amp (in its day, 3 years or so ago approx £800 for £390 new) with a mind just to experiment with the option to tri-amp the Kef 202c (600w!!!), on connecting up much to my initial surprise the biggest "difference/gain" was in the high mids/treble although on reflection i now think that the grunt and control for the bass drivers was always there as it is now,and simply there is now much more dedicated grunt for the mids/tops. Immediately the speaker took on a character as if being driven by a Naim amp in so much as clearly dry, detailed and more forward, this surprised me as i have always championed Rotel power amps as offering affordable quality grunt but had always found them to be "warm" in tonality, immediately i became aware of clocks!!!, if there is a clock with a second hand (anywhere) in the room then i can hear it ticking, the supertweeter has come alive! it has also IMO become very critical of source material, i am constantly aware of microphone grounding issues and the difference in recording media standards and 1st and 2nd rate live broadcasts, i have actually found this to be almost distracting such is the resolution/detail of the new driver arrangement, i have for several years now thought that consistantly the best vocal recordings are to be found on CH4's Brookside whilst i acknowledge the evening BBC news generally has their top boys on production i find Brooksides vocal rcording to be sublime. On such transmissions (and of course some dvd's) the 202c is simply alluring in it's reproduction and all who have heard it have commented without prompting.
    At £1000 it certainly is not cheap and i think you are probably not going to do it justice if you stick on the end of pretty much any integrated amp (and i mean even the A1se's, AX10's etc etc, far less your mid-priced integrated solutions). it requires careful matching and perhaps for some, external balancing may be required (thx or the like) but in it's element it is a truely very gifted center and i look forward to hearing the big £2000 204c.

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    Hi Steve,

    It's good to hear your views for the Model 202C, and I'm glad they are favourable.
    Do you also use any of the new Models as fronts and rears?.

    Best Regards
     
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    Steve,

    Do you still have the POA-6600's ? I've got the 4400's and the murmurings circa '91 were right: they are stupendous.

    Mike.
     
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    Ron.
    Thanks for your comments, i am currently used 2 pairs of 34's for side and back duties and am contemplating the 203's for fronts.

    Mike.
    I only had a single 6600 which i bought second hand for £60 if i remember rightly, an absolute steal!!!!, in speaking to other enthusiasts who have been in the game long enough to remember the series it was considered as a real high end piece of kit, that said i have to say that i actually prefer the timbre of the Rotel configuration even though the amp certainly cannot be considered as anything high end, but i have always thought that buying/up-grading power amps and indeed increasing overall current delivery has always had a profound effect on tonal and dynamic qualities (although not necessarily an out-right improvement in timbre, in my book real power is an absolute essential).
    The 6600 is now being used at a friends for a time on the end of his processor sub pre-out with his Rel Stadium mk1 (which has no low level input - high speaker level only) on the end of it.

    Steve.
     
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    £60 'aint bad ;) but a damn shame you didn't get a pair.

    IIRC, around '91 a UK magazine (HiFi Choice/Review ?) ran a comp to win a £12,000 'ultimate system': Pink Triangle t/t (w/ nice arm & cart), some esoteric phono stage, Croft pre-amp, some speakers long-since forgotten (Spica TC-50 ?) and...the Denon POA-4400 monoblocs.

    However much it might've hurt people's heads to put mass-market Japanese power amps in amongst more 'specialised' gear, this magazine wasn't alone. I recall them being used in quite a few high-end setups from back then. They just sound so fantastic. I've listened to CD's through these that sounded magical (shivers down spine stuff). I'm secretly searching for another six...don't ever tell the missus :D

    Mike.
     
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    I have heard the 202 three times now. It is a seriously good piece of kit. 4400 momoblock are one of those forgotten gems that wasn't silly money when it came out. I wish we had more stuff like this
     
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    hi,
    this is slightly off the initial thread, but as you've been discussing monoblocks a bit here, is that the ultimate direction to upgrade to? I of thinking upgrading my amp and fronts as I'll be moving into a bigger space. I've worked out that I'll need 8 channels of amplification. What current monoblocks would you suggest I listen to?
    marc
     
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    Built like brick out-houses, pseudo Class-A operation, 150W/ch (not that numbers matter much to me) but £599.95/pr original rrp. If they brought 'em back at £999.95/pr they'd still be jawdroppers. I've heard music through them which I thought I knew and it sounded like a different recording. And it was 'better' different, not 'worse' different. I'd put them up against anything. And I do mean anything. If these aren't an audiophile classic then not much is.

    [​IMG]

    marcoeser, best to start your own thread.

    Mike.
     
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    Bryston PowerPack 120 or, better yet 250 wich has the new SST circuitry...
     
  10. Steve.EX

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    Mike.

    Great stuff, i believe my 6600 is the bigger brother of the 4400, certainly at least a heaftier output, although the case/chassis appears very similar if not identical. When my friend gets around to customising his rel amp board to accept an additional low level input i may be persuaded to let the 6600 go to a new home, certainly made one hell of a difference when i took my old 23c off of a single channel of a Rotel 985 and put it on the Denon!

    Steve.
     

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