Like Spotify but at least CD quality?

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  1. AngelEyes

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    Hi Guys,

    I have been enjoying Spotify these last few months listening on my PC/Genelec 6010A system at work but having tried via my HiFi system a lot of tracks sound really flat and awful which I put down to the bitrate.

    Are there any similar providers that use CD quality or better streams?

    Thanks,

    Adam :)
     
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    Do you have a premium sub? If you have have you set it to hi-quality streaming? Its just I have found that many people do not realise that you do have to set the the higher quality rate on premium accounts manually. Also worth turning off volume normalisation as that can kill the dynamics.
     
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  3. AngelEyes

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    Hi Yes,

    I spotted that when I signed up. I think it is still only 320Kbps from what I remember.

    The tracks I noticed most were older 80s and 90s ones so I don't know if it has anything to do with when they were resampled. Unfortunately there does not seem to be any display of bitrate on the tracks.

    Adam :)
     
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    Start Spotify from the Run box with this command

    C:\XXXXXXXXXXX\spotify.exe -console (depends on the location of your Spotify.exe file)

    This starts a separate console, then set the track to be available offline and the console shows that actual bitrate. Not immediately clear but the info is there, look for were it says 'downloading file'
     
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    Thanks but it just opens Spotify as normal.
     
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    Ok, I'll try it again.

    Any other suggestions for higher bitrate providers?

    Cheers,

    Adam
     
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    Ok, got the console up, thanks for the link.

    I don't see where to set the track as available offline?

    Thanks :)
     
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    I don't think there's anything else out there to compete with spotify at the moment.

    If you've got several albums in particular that you really like then it maybe worth searching ebay/amazon etc and try and get hold of a cd copy for cheap.

    That's what I've been doing for the last few months and built up quite a nice diverse collection of music.

    Maybe one day someone will bring out a cd quality streaming service however internet speeds may need to increase a little first to make it worthwhile :rolleyes:
     
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    Right click on one of your playlist entries and select 'Available Offline', this then starts to download the playlist and you will then see the download file entry in the console with the bitrate.
     
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    I thought you were going to say that but I don't have that option available on right click. :rolleyes:

    • Play
    • Queue
    • Start Radio
    • Add to
    • Unstar
    • Get track
    • Copy HTTP Link
    • Copy Spotify URI
    • Copy Embed Code
    • Share to...
    • Delete

    I have the option to 'Get Track' but I don't want to have to pay for them.

    Cheers,

    Adam :)
     
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    That is because you are trying to do it with a track that is not in a playlist so therefore you cannot make it available offline. Add the track to a playlist or create a new playlist for the track then make the playlist available offline.

    Playlist info here

    https://www.spotify.com/uk/help/guides/playlist/
     
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    are you using your pc soundcard , try spotify premium higher bit rate with a usb dac , will sound much better
    i use a solid state & valve dac both around £250 , spotify can actually sound very close or even better than a cheap Cd player
     
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    I'd also be interested in a better streaming service.
    There seem to be a lot of tracks on Spotify which are set too high and clip, especially in the bass. I've only noticed it recently since using headphones through a DAC.
    The sound quality is superb, but the clipping ruins it :mad:
    I know it's not my setup as I've tried adjusting levels at every step with no change, others on the net have mentioned it too.
    Not got premium as I've read that the bitrate on the majority of tracks is no higher than the normal membership, is this still the case?
     
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    did you adjust the stiings on your menu to get the higher bit rate
    spotify uses vogorbis much better than MP3s on sound quality almost as good as cd
    clipping could just be too much compression on the recording
    never had problems myself with spotify
     
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    Spotify advertise that 99% of their stuff is now available at 320kbps.

    What quality does Spotify stream in? - Spotify - Spotify

    and have you tried turning off the 'volume levelling for all tracks' and 'hardware acceleration' as this may improve what you are hearing?
     
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    No I always make sure any enhancements are switched off.

    Could I ask you guys to try a track which I've got major bass clipping distortion on? It's the constant thump all the way through the track. Roisin Murphy - Overpowered http://open.spotify.com/track/7di4QTqNCZjX4JUFKhWQsr
     
  19. AngelEyes

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    Doh, thanks :)

    BTW I use A Squeezebox Touch or Linn DS for Playback. I did have Hardware Acceleration on though, what does it do?

    Adam :)
     
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    From Spotify Playback Preferences - For Dummies

    Enable Hardware Acceleration option
    The Enable Hardware Acceleration option appears only if you're using a PC, and it's selected by default. Hardware acceleration is a process that uses your computer hardware, rather than the Spotify software alone, to optimize Spotify's performance.

    The downside to hardware acceleration is that your hardware simply may not be up to the task. Many people who use older computers complain of tracks jumping or fast-forwarding because hardware acceleration is turned on (Spotify isn't the only program to have this problem). Deselect the check box if you ever run into such problems, and then reboot your computer.


    I always try and turn off anything that could have an effect on the music. I also set Spotify volume to max, the windows mixer to max and then control the volume from the amp
     
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    Have tried on my system and whilst it is bass heavy I do not get clipping. I tried with the sub on and off. This doesn't sound like the best rip as I get a little distortion on the top end of the vocals.

    Hope that helps
     
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    No, that just makes it worse :laugh:

    I've tried through my room system pc- optical to receiver and USB DAC and it's still the same, I't only audible with headphones clearly though as the heavy bass of the track disguises it to an extent through my main system.

    Installing spotify on the wife's laptop now to test, than I really must get some work done!:rolleyes:

    Edit: yep, it's the same on the laptop - I'm only on Unlimited though not premium.
     
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    So it could have something to do with the 160kbps rate - I was listening at 320kbps as I have a premium account
     
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    Indeed it could.
    I'm paying for a service which isn't right though so I'll send spotify an email.
     
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    Actually, scrub that whole thing.

    I just played the same track on youtube and it sounds the same :facepalm: :laugh:
     
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    Hmmmmm - just listened to the youtube version put up by EMI records and it is un-listenable - muddy and overblown bass. I don't know what bitrate it is but it really doesn't sound good at all and now I see what you mean. You realise that now you will have to get a premium subscription - Doh
     
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    Nah, I'm more than happy with the quality of most tracks, in fact at times I'm blown away with it through my new Fiio E10.
     

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