right then... clear as mud.. !! no, seriously though i appreciate the replies, i am in a brave new world when it comes to anything other than a 28inch fat not flat tv.. my intention would be to wall mount the lcd, i cant really see the point not ! thats why i want one!! but as you say the money is minimal compared to others so i may just be taking that next step, so i am off to ebay to pay £30.00 to some czech fella who just emailed me about one .. (NOT!)