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LG-MZ-42PY10 your opinions ?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by thierfeu, Oct 13, 2004.

  1. thierfeu

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    Hello

    I EDIT AN OLD TOPIC, because i'm really really balanced between Panasonic 37or42PA30 and LG 42PY10 (1à24 x 768)

    I've seen both of them and said WoW in both cases.
    PAna is considered as the best
    LG is HD native

    thois I've already said, but :

    Did you see the LG , with your eyes, not specs?
    IN THIS CASE Can you give me an objective feeling about this one or new PY10 serial ?? (forgetting please prejudiced against older LG plasma set)

    thanks






    went to several shops in order to make my mind about PANNYs

    37? -42 (favorite now) ? stand? not stand (favorite now)? when I faced the new LG 42PY10 which is the 42PX11 with higer resolution (1024 x 768)

    what I have to say is wow ! I loved the picture quality, the "blacks" pureness, the overall design (really better than 42PX11)...

    it was better (IMHO) than it's neighbour in the shop : Pioneer PDP434...

    In fact I love it as much as Panny 42PA30

    the fact is that the LG is HD ready, with DVI connectors and "good" resolution...this could be a VERY positive point forr the LG

    oh my god, ho my god, I thought I 've found peace...

    I really love the panny, but I don't want to consider in 2 years that my TV is """obsolete""" considering the non-hability to process at its resolution HD signal. Considering I have a chipped xbox, I may use 720 pix too

    considering price : (french price in shop, 2 years guarantee)
    panny 42PA10 is : 3500 € with foot
    LG 42PY10 is : 3750 €
    LG 42PY10 + DVD &HDisk LG 4820 : 3990 € (I may sell LG4820 500€ in ebay)

    My questions

    do you have the 42PY10, and then an opinion about it ?
    is it better than PAnny 42PY10 ?
    Do you have any review link about it, please ?

    thank you !

    PS : whatsoever, my purchase date is max 15november, after my undecided-man-laments wil be over...
     
  2. thierfeu

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    nobody knows it ?
     
  3. grahamtriggs

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    Sorry, but these units haven't hit the UK - certainly not in significant numbers at least. I would quite readily recommend the 42PX11 - which as you say is the same generation / tech, but lower resolution - but otherwise there isn't much I can say.
     
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    Let your eyes be the judge... for all the advice that you will receive here, it's you that will be living with the panel at the end of the day.

    If you've narrowed the field to the LG and the Panny, then try to view both screens properly set up, side-by-side if at all possible. Then go with whichever offers you the best picture and package ofr features.

    It sounds like future HD broadcasts are important to you, with that being the case I guess the LG looks the more attractive choice given the higher pixel count and the DVI inputs over the Panny.

    From reading your posts, you obviously liked what you've seen with both the Panny and the LG. Given the specs and your requirements, I'd say the LG looks the stronger of the two choices.

    Good luck whatever you choose :)

    S.
     
  5. neonmod

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    The higher def LG is a RZ-42PX12 (official euro model) rated at 1024 x 768, not the MZ-42PY10.

    The MZ-42PY10 is an older model.

    Cheers.
     
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    thanks to all

    steeve P, your answer il full of good sense. today it's hard to really say PAnny or Lg is the best , considering WHAT I SAW, but i'm afraid i might kick myself in two years when HD comes, if I have a non-compatible TV-set

    neonmode : are you sure we talk about the same ? http://www.son-video.com/Rayons/Video/Plasma/LG_RZ42PY10.html

    it's in french but specs are easy to find...doesn't seem to be an old one, and Hi res

    (edit) sorry the initial title of my thread was LG-MZ....... i change it
     
  7. neonmod

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    The information i gave you is correct as it is from the PX11 manual, which gives info on the PX10,11 and 12 as well as the 50inch models.

    Maybe UK model!

    Cheers.
     
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    Is the higher spec LG HDCP compliant on the DVI Connector??? at a price of £1500 this could be tempting :smashin:

    Cheers

    Lawrenso
     
  9. neonmod

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    All the models are HD compatible!

    :D
     
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    but PY42 seems to be a very new one

    a funny thing is concerning contrast half the sites (incl LG) say 3000:1 half say 1000:1 i would rather believe LG, but I thought Hires PAnels couldn't achieve more than 1000:1 (or it's just an ALIS issue)
     
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    Hi Team

    RZ42PY10 contrst of 1000:1 brtness 750 cd/m2 -852x480 -xdengine/dcdi
    RZ42PX11 contrst of 3000:1 brtness 1000 cd/m2 -1024x720 -xdengine/dcdi
    RZ42PX12 contrst of 1000:1 brtness 1000 cd/m2 -1024x720 -xdengine

    sigh .... you pays your money and takes your choice

    I think the PX11 is the best bet at the mo, cause it gives better picture with todays video sources, plus having seen HD video through this panel there is still a step up in quality when we get HD sources in a few years time, and at 1500 pounds , thats already a grand in the piggy bank ready for a new model in two years time

    :laugh:
     
  12. grahamtriggs

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    That's not how I understand it:

    PX11 and PX12 - same electronics / inputs. Only difference is that the 12 has lower contrast and higher resolution (1024x768)

    The PY10 has the same resolution / contrast as the 12, less brightness?, and a better chassis design.

    BTW, I think you are right about the PX11 - it gives a great picture, has a good mixture of technology, good selection of inputs, can benefit from future HD broadcasts, excellent claimed durability, and very keenly priced. Right now there isn't really a significant benefit to having a higher resolution, it's just not worth paying a premium for (although the PX12 doesn't cost too much more compared to the PX11, and PY10 may well sell itself on design of the frame rather than the higher res).
     
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    Hi Salesbloke,

    The PX11 resolution is 852x480 and not 1024x720.

    Cheers.
     
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    This is very confusing...anyone is going to count the horizontal pixels so we can be sure? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :suicide:

    Kidding apart: i confirm, PX11 is 852x480.
     
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    Gents Apologies

    RZ42PY10 contrst of 1000:1 brtness 750 cd/m2 -1024x720 -xdengine/dcdi
    RZ42PX11 contrst of 3000:1 brtness 1000 cd/m2 -852x480 -xdengine/dcdi
    RZ42PX12 contrst of 1000:1 brtness 1000 cd/m2 -1024x720 -xdengine

    sigh .... you pays your money and takes your choice
     
  17. Wasabi

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    salesbloke,

    If you look at the link ddlooping provided, PY10 and PX12 resolution is 1024x768, not 1024x720 ;p

    Wasabi
     
  18. neonmod

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    We'll get it right in the end. :laugh:
     
  19. grahamtriggs

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    I'm pretty sure that the PX12 has DCDi as well... it just doesn't make any sense for the PX12 to have different electronics / lack of features compared to the PX11.

    In fact, if you go into the service menu of the PX11, on the 'remote control' page, there is an option to choose between 'PX10' and 'PY10'... so even the firmware is the same between the PX and PY series.

    The difference between the PX11 and PX12 is the resolution, VGA vs XGA (and hence the contrast). The difference between PX12 and PY10 is the design and the brightness.
     
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    Hehe -I see you have all passed LG spec test. rather than trying to read the
    specs and summarise myself ( having got it wrong twice) go with the link.



    http://uk.lge.com/prodcompareprint....models=RZ42PY10

    No mention of the DCDi on the spec sheet ... though it doe not mean it does not have it.
     
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    Hello

    I EDIT AN OLD TOPIC, because i'm really really balanced between Panasonic 37or42PA30 and LG 42PY10 (1024 x 768) (I've definitively forgotten the ALIS based panels which didn't resist daily viewing since 2 weeks)

    I've seen both of them and said WoW in both cases.
    Pana is nice and considered in there as the best one
    LG gave me great impression and is HD native

    thois I've already said, but :

    Did you see the LG , with your eyes, not specs?
    IN THIS CASE Can you give me an objective feeling about this one or new PY10 serial ?? (forgetting please prejudiced against older LG plasma set)

    thanks
     
  22. grahamtriggs

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    If you've seen both panels, and are equally happy with them, then it really comes down to two things:

    1) Which is cheaper? But then I believe you said they are roughly the same.

    2) Which is better for the future? The Panny Viera has question marks over it's ability to even accept a 720 progressive signal, whereas the LG not only accepts the HD signals, but is HD native as well. Plus, the LG has a quoted longer lifetime.
     
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    the 42PA30 is 3200 euros, the LG 42PY10 is 3750 euros

    so considering i like them equally in term of picture, design :

    do you think 550 euro difference is a good value for a HD proofed TV (plus lifetime if it's confirmed)

    other point, in france pana is 1 year warranty, LG is 2 years

    regards

    PS : I'd really like to have someone who have seen that 42PY10's picture comments my sensations were personnal, but a specialist could tell me more
     
  24. grahamtriggs

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    Personally, I would say yes it is worth it. Primarily because the Panasonic is reported to not support 720p signals. That the LG has a longer warranty is also good for you, and the claimed life of the LG plasma is significantly higher than the Panny.

    I can't comment on the picture of the PY as I haven't seen it, but I'm happy with the picture of the 42PX11. I wouldn't worry too much about expert opinion, because it is still largely that - opinion. If you like it, that is all that matters.
     
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    thierfeu, I've also been following the 42PY10 recently:

    1- you can find the 42PY10 for under 3200€ in Paris. Yep, that's right, 3200, and it's not an exotic on-line thing. I expect prices in major stores like FNAC etc... to fall fairly soon (though not down to that level). Margin won't stay that fat for too long... :D

    2- As for picture quality, I find this screen has lots of things going for it, except maybe for:

    i- visible green push, esp. on plants, leaves... very unnatural. Looks like Pioneer green's, I don't like it but it might be adjustable

    ii- more bothering is the picture "swarming" (not sure the term's right, it's a direct translation of "fourmillement" so now you get the picture - so to speak :) ). esp. on HD sources which is rather annoying.

    This was noticeable with an LG HD PVR @ 720p via Component out (I think) they use in the FNAC's to demo the PY10. It was less bothering when running WMV-HD demos clips on an HCPC via DVI to the screen, but still there.

    Note that I couldn't play with image nor source setup's so maybe this can minimized; as a matter of fact it was almost unvisible when watching a regular 576 lines DVD...

    It for my 2 cents... ;)
     
  26. grahamtriggs

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    From my experience of the 42PX11, I can confirm a green push there. However, the colour saturation is way too much in the default settings anyway. Was the colour on the PY turned down when you saw it - the green push might not be such a problem when that is done.
     
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    Yeah, I know exactly what you're referring to in terms of PX11 defaults settings (colour saturation...!! :rolleyes: ) but no, that's not it, colours were otherwise properly balanced, maybe just a tad overdone - it's just that "Hollywood chewing-gum green" thing that got my attention.

    Actually you can <barely> see it in action in this shot HERE.

    (got to look at the plants behind the window, mid right of pic.)

    Sounds like it can't easily be corrected then, right...? Is there any way to separately tweak R-G-B values or dynamic ranges? (as I think is possible e.g. on the Hitachi's)
     
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    Well, there should be adjustments in the service menu (presumably as the 42PX11 - hold menu buttons on remote + screen until it appears, use yellow to change page). They don't seem to 'stick' all that well though.
     
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    thank you peezee for your comments (merci, ca aide !)

    If you had a link for low price PY10 i would enjoy it in there or MP

    I hope price will lower befor Xmas, 3200-3500 would be nice

    DO you consider prices are on lower stage for Xmas period or think they will decrease in november ?? (for specialists and retailers on this forum)

    The set is pretty, and quite WAF (except it's size, actual WAF's limit is 37' PANA w/ stand)

    considering xbox, I bought a RGB scart today...i was scandalized by price 30€, until I saw the difference with crappy original cable...uncredible !!
     
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    thierfeu, you've got mp! :)

    EDIT: well, the 42PY10 screenshot just got me thinking... that one was shot using the YUV input, there's another pic with DVI used and unfortunately the green push issue is present also, pbm is with DVI you just can't adjust R-G-B levels, no matter what.

    Conclusion: I'm afraid there's little than can be done to overcome this fairly bad "fluo green" effect if one's to use DVI (which I definitely want to, HCPC obliges...). Hmmm... :(
     

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