LG makes significant improvements in UHD OLED panel yields

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    1. hodg100

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      I posted the following in the 4K anticipation thread this morning which offers some more details...

      Some key points....

      * Yields on 1080p panels are at least 80 per cent.
      * Yields on 65" and 77" 4K panels rose above 65 per cent 'last'(?) April
      * LG Display's aim for this year is to increase 77-inch, 65-inch, and 55-inch UHD OLED panels’ yield values up to 87 per cent, 85 per cent, and 75 per cent respectively (I think they have their 'respectively' reversed)
      * If it reaches those targets, then investment to double manufacturing capacity (presumably the M3 line) will go ahead.
      * It's claimed that LG's low yields are due to 'voltage problems'.
      * LG are exploring an inkjet manufacturing approach and will soon do a demonstration of an inkjet pilot line at its M2 line in South Korea.

      More here...

      http://english.etnews.com/20150611200002

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      All of that is in the article.
       
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      This all shows the OLED has a bright future (pun intended).
      Sadly plasma reached the end of it's development life a while ago but we have a worthy successor.
      Possibly one which will support lower price TVs once it matures.
       
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      I've been wondering for a while - LG's current 55" UHD model is £3.5k+, but they've hinted there'll be a flat model out by the year's end for roughly the same amount as the current 55" curved model (nearer £2.5k).

      How do they think they'll be able to knock a grand off the price, give or take?

      Well, if they're improving yields by so much, I suppose it's a little easier to see.

      My plan is to buy a flat 55" UHD OLED in the fourth quarter, as long as the price is sufficiently sub-£3k. Time will tell whether this is do-able, or a pipe dream.

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      If they are limited by supply hopefully capital investment is being recovered faster than expected, all good.
       
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      If they can come in at £2500 for a flat 55" UHD OLED then I might postpone my purchase of the CX802.
       
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      My goal is a 4k oled but the HDR situation makes me want to wait to 2016s but its tempting with the 950 later this year
       
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      Isn't the current curved 55" Curved model nearer £3500? John Lewis is showing the 55EG960V at £3799
       
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      The current 55" 1080p is around £2-2.5k. The current 55" 4k set is c.£3.5k.

      LG have hinted there'll be a flat 55" 4k at the back end of the year for a price closer to the former.

      Steve W
       
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      Hinted? they shown em at ces2015
       
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      I wondered what happens to all the faulty panels that don't make the grade. Hopefully they can be recycled in some way....
       
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      Read again. They hinted at THE PRICE.

      Steve W
       
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      65% isn't great and explains the continued high pricing. In fact, wasn't there an earlier report that claimed UHD yields of 70% already or am I dreaming?
       
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      There may well be gradual changes.
       
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      Prices Been out for ages here :smashin: just to be more awake
       
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      It's size dependent. You get 6 55 Inch, 2 65 or 1 77 from a substrate.
      If you get 1 flaw on a substrate, it may only destroy 1 or the 6 55s but 1 flaw on a 77 will mean losing the whole substrate/screen.

      It's also worth pointing out that the yield of 55 Inch 4k screens is beyond 65%. The 65% is for 65 and 77 Inch screens.
       
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      Ah thanks for clearing that up

      Wow, let's hope they really do end up coming out at that price. That would be a game changer
       
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      The eg920 4k screen will likely replace the HD ec930 and follow similar pricing to the 930 last year.

      Officially £2999, discounted initially to £2500 then dropping to around £2000 for Christmas.
       
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      Not the most patronising post at the forums of all time...but fudgeing close.

      There have been rumours of prices, but at the moment an LG rep has said they think there might be a flat 55" 4K at the end of the year for around the same price as the old 55" curved 1090p OLED.

      Can you point me to a link that says this price has either definitively been confirmed, or is definitely not happening?

      Steve W
       
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      Well like i told you Shop prices is already out. Here ...

      Prisjakt - Kunnskap før kjøp

      Next time you should learn to listen before assuming :)
       
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      That is going a bit too far.
      Why should people check websites in every country?
       
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      Because Norway is the capital of the world, silly one (sarc)!

      Vism, I am aware of the size difference in terms of yield discrepancy but thanks for the reminder. The report I saw before was probably in reference to the 55" UHD model.
       
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      대한민국 IT포털의 중심! 이티뉴스
      Shipping amount of UHD OLED TV was 14,000 in 2014. Its projected shipping amounts will be 514,000(2015),1.293 million( 2016), 2.886 million( 2017), 5.070 million(2018), 7.949 million(2019),12.1 million(2020), respectively.

      Sale of UHD OLED TV was 55.878 million dollars in 2014.
      Its projected sales are $617.805M(2015), $1.084B(2016), $2.0B(2017),$2.95B(2018), $4.1B(2019), $5.8B (2020) respectively. .
       
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      World Running out of one of the "component materiale" for making LCD tvs screens so Oled might have a better chance than first thought
       
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      All the different prices quoted can't all be right. :rotfl:

      One price may be correct, but which one? I would rather wait until LG comes out with a current price, not one they may have been suggested/hinted at ages ago or is a place-holder for when the price is officially announced.

      Still. guessing is a good game. ;)
       
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      Those are Shop prices and Been spot on before :) only Odd thing is the flat 950 65" is more exspensive than the 960 in 65" but oposite on the 55" version... :) We se If the 950 had full HDR i be more interested but not now
       
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      See AVS forum recomends strongly to wait for HDR to be included before upgrading to 4k and i guess they know this better than just second guessing that most do.
       
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      I have a complete lack of interest in HDR - for me a gimmick until proven otherwise...
       
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      I think we've discussed this before.

      There have been different leaked/placeholder listings, all disagreeing with each other.

      What evidence do you have that this one is the accurate one.

      It might be. It might not be.

      But to imply I couldn't be bothered to check just because I'm not putting blind faith in that one listing is just rude.

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