I hope that you do not use the backlight all the time?
Why do you say that seeing as this forum and many others state that the C9 is very accurate out of the box?Well, this is really the end of the discussion is not it?
Why do you say that seeing as this forum and many others state that the C9 is very accurate out of the box?
Please elaborate , or do you own a C9
Where to start. What you are comparing is which factory calibration you prefer better not which TV has better PQ. Not even which of them is more trutful to the master in out of the box state as you have no means to asses it.
Also to follow on what you have just wrote. If what you have wrote is true in terms that C9 is very accurate out of the box then it must imply that Panasonic is not as otherwise they should be extremely close... and yet you prefer one over the other.
Anyway. When you calibrate them they are indistinguishable in terms of PQ or beyond extremely close to it. Try it...
Calibration does nothing to improve motion ,upscaling , colour volume etc , throw in Sony,s Smooth Graduation that knocks socks off LG,s equivalent ,then its easy to see why I do prefer the Sony .Where to start. What you are comparing is which factory calibration you prefer better not which TV has better PQ. Not even which of them is more trutful to the master in out of the box state as you have no means to asses it.
Also to follow on what you have just wrote. If what you have wrote is true in terms that C9 is very accurate out of the box then it must imply that Panasonic is not as otherwise they should be extremely close... and yet you prefer one over the other.
Anyway. When you calibrate them they are indistinguishable in terms of PQ or beyond extremely close to it. Try it...
Ambient lighting reduces eye stain and the lights are set at the same white point as the tvI hope that you do not use the backlight all the time?
Ambient lighting reduces eye stain and the lights are set at the same white point as the tv
No thanks, bad scaling, blooming and shocking DSE I would rather shit in my hands and clap than own a lcd tvYes but you are negating perfect blacks of OLED by having them. If I would alway be watching with back light I would buy 85 inch QLED TV as the benefits of OLED are mostly masked by backlight.
Yes but you are negating perfect blacks of OLED by having them. If I would alway be watching with back light I would buy 85 inch QLED TV as the benefits of OLED are mostly masked by backlight.
No thanks, bad scaling, blooming and shocking DSE I would rather sh*t in my hands and clap than own a lcd tv
Which is where my bias lights are set to, they match my TVs white point and brightnessare you talking about ambient lighting or bias lighting?
proper d65 white point bias lighting will reduce eye strain and actually help with contrast etc on an oled. The best professional calibrators will tell you that you should always have some bias lighting on even in the darkest viewing conditions...
Which is where my bias lights are set to, they match my TVs white point and brightness
Guys, what I ma trying to say is that by having bias lights behind the TV set to D65 etc. (I also have them and also have two OLED TVs) the blacks are the same on OLED and QLED and most of great LCDs even. The bias light will make LCD / QLED black to be perceived as black as OLEDs. That is matter of how our eyes work.
I am not interested in buying QLED. I am in love with my OLEDs but if I would be only watching with bias light I would rather get bigger 85 QLED and be done with it as the blacks which are worse then OLEDs would not matter any more.
Just turn off bias light on quality BD / UHD material (in pitch black room) and make your own mind.
Cheers
I normally move tvs on after 6 months but ...
Why are you using bias lighting with an OLED?!?
Reduces eye strain and the bias lights are set to the same white point and brightness level of the tvWhy are you using bias lighting with an OLED?!?
... the most important thing is to make sure they didn't send you a defective OLED panel. Test it and do not hesitate to send back until you get a good one.
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Here are some side by side screen shots showing what to me is a "defective" panel. When you can see luminance discontinuities in actual program material then it is defective. Here are 5% and 10% grey, 5% arguably the worst case. All OLEDS will show this vertical striping at some level. Notice the left screen how the change from lighter to darker occurs more frequently, in smaller bands with sharper transitions. What makes this visible in normal content is that sharp change from lighter to darker and then back. The smoother change on the right screen cannot be seen in normal content, I have given up trying to see it and now just immensely enjoy having a good setWhat do you mean by defective panel?
Thanks
Here are some side by side screen shots showing what to me is a "defective" panel. When you can see luminance discontinuities in actual program material then it is defective. Here are 5% and 10% grey, 5% arguably the worst case. All OLEDS will show this vertical striping at some level. Notice the left screen how the change from lighter to darker occurs more frequently, in smaller bands with sharper transitions. What makes this visible in normal content is that sharp change from lighter to darker and then back. The smoother change on the right screen cannot be seen in normal content, I have given up trying to see it and now just immensely enjoy having a good set
At 10% the right screen only has very smooth vertical banding whereas the left screen retains the sharp vertical bands + horizontal bands + darker areas in the lower right and lower left corners. Understand the photos do not capture the defect nearly as well as the naked eye, it is far worse than it looks here.
3rd shot is the Sony "screen saver". As far as I could find, the Sony does not have a screen saver that is appropriate for burn in susceptible OLED's. In any case if you have the Sony you can test that image for artifacts. As a side comparison the LG screen saver is a dynamic burst pattern where 95% of the screen is black at any time and the burst moves to a different location - NO chance of burn in.
Last shot is an example of real world content showing the defect. There is a clear vertical line in the middle of the face.
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Reduces eye strain and the bias lights are set to the same white point and brightness level of the tv
I have a 75Z9D in a basement where light is not coming in so can be dark easily.
Is anybody in the position as I am where they are contiplating a 77 oled replacement? Or has anyone done it?
the 75Z9D is very very good for an LED and the OLED would for sure have a bit better blacks but only a 2 inch size upgrade and a HUGE cost for maybe a small PQ improvement...
any thoughts?