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LG 65W7 4K OLED TV Hands-on Review & Comments

Discussion in 'LG TVs Forum' started by Steve Withers, Mar 11, 2017.


    1. Steve Withers

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      Intresting review o_O
       
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      So LG could literally pick one panel to showcase their new product. And it still had banding? Doesn't bode well for your average punter.
       
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      Disappointed the motion handling isn't much better as that was the main aspect that would tempt me to a 2017 panel but the actual real brightness, colour and input lag improvements kind of balance it out. Damnit :p
       
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      Yep, certainly not great news for individuals who like to spend all their time staring at slides o_O
       
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      honestly cant see the point of upgrading from an E6
       
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      Most stunning Oled of Ces 17 for me :cool: Sony n Panasonic bow to Lg
       
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      Let's see what the other manufacturers can do with the LG displays :smashin:. This is the biggie for me in 2017 with regards to OLED.
       
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      As if LG have done badly ? personally I think in 2016 they nailed it with the 55" E6 etc,65 less so ,I think everybody will have issues @65" ,its already being reported on the 2017 reviews
       
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      For me its the better gradiation out of blacks higher nits and i hoped for wider Colour gammut but thats is the same as the 2016s
       
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      God fella, where in the hell did you get that from in my post , more manufacturers supporting OLED can only be better to iron out the wrinkles that still exist. This is why I'm excited for oled in 2017 .
       
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      Find it funny Sony n Panasonic was bragging of the better black filter on they oleds :laugh: at ces n Lg has it on on they tvs as standard from the E6 up to W7.

      And didnt say a Word of it on Ces :smoke: classy move
       
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      Steady on ,lets not forget they are all LG panels ,and in my opinion LG made a significant step up in 2016 ,all the wrinkles you say ,can you please expand on that ,seeing as you don't appear to actually own one :)
       
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      Yup I don't have an LG oled as when I checked the B6 out in RS last year the motion handling was just to distracting for me at that time . Above black scenes had macroblocking on Sky sources ( nothing new ) and BD which was a suprise ( they didn't have a UHD spinner for me to try out ) and the lag on my PS4 ( I took along ) was way to high for me . For me the 2017 LG improves on what I want apart from peak brightness ( not vivid bull ) so if you don't mind I'll be waiting to see what other manufacturers may achieve with OLED. It was not I who said it was not worth upgrading , how could I as I've not yet seen the competition :).
       
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      Marco blocking was a exstrem problem on the 2015 950s
      It almost gone on the 16s but they are content picky
       
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      The banding just above black has been there on all OLED panels since the beginning, regardless of manufacturer, but I honestly don't think it's an issue. In just about every other area LG have made improvements, so I think the deciding factor for some people will be motion handling. Otherwise I couldn't fault the W7 and E7 that I saw in San Francisco.
       
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      I was expecting it on a sky source to a certain degree , not so much on the BDs I took along at the time . It was very prominent on the display I checked out.
       
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      How does the Sony pro refreshes it's screen to get superior motion handling?
      By not using sample and hold. Can LG and Panasonic not do th same?
       
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      The 21ms lag for gaming , that is in LGs version of game mode I take it ? Either way it's good news especially with HDR gaming.
       
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      I really don't mind what you do tbh ,seeing as your OLED experience so far seems to be on the lowest spec 2016 model in a store ,before the firmware update addressing the motion had been applied by the sound of it !!
      Yes I DID say it wasn't worth upgrading if you own a 2016 set ,this is my opinion ,based on having a 2016 set ,if you own a 2015 set then yes ,go for it
       
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      All LG panels are the same aint they on the PQ front, higher/lower spec is in ashetics and sound bar options . You asked me to explain ....and I did just that mate :).
       
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      Yes 21ms in Game mode for both SDR and HDR.
       
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      Having had 2 B6 and now on an E6 the answer would be NO ,the E6 is superior ,again this is my opinion ,based on having one after another within the space of an hour of each other ,not some internet bull
       
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      That wasn't actually true last year, the B6 had a different SoC to the C6, E6 and G6. In the case of the latter TV there were also some differences which is why only two of the G6's HDMI inputs supported 4K/60p. However this year LG claim that all five models are identical in terms of panel, SoC and image performance.
       
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      I've briefly owned a 55B6 and returned it because of the banding (and brightening along the right side).

      Example: I played some TLOU on the PS4 and at times the banding was just horrendous. I don't know if you've played the game, but those sections with the green fog from the spores were especially bad.

      The entire panel was covered in bright and dark vertical bands. Worse than anything I've ever seen on a LCD panel. The automatic compensation cycles every 4 hours didn't do anything, the same goes for the manual ones that take an hour to complete. It just shifted the position of the bands around but didn't lessen them in any way. On bright(er) backgrounds, like panning across the sky, you could also notice some vertical irregularities in the panel that didn't move around after a compensation cycle. Even after close to 100 hours, not even a slight improvement in sight.

      Maybe mine was just faulty, maybe not. But it didn't look that bad on 10% and 20% static gray slides at all, just like it looks in all the reviews with pictures. Only at 5% and below did the banding become obvious, again not any different than in the reviews. In motion while gaming or watching movies, though, it could look down right terrible depending on the scene. So at least from my personal experience I'd say that it's still an issue. And not a minor one.
       
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      @Steve Withers
      What's your take on the Atmos support of the new LG OLED's? Is that eARC which was supposed to be part of HDMI 2.1 or something else?
       
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      Motion artifact issues != motion resolution number. If it turns out that LG still has some microstutter or judder, and Sony or Panasonic OLEDs do not, this is unlikely to be due to lack of BFI, but will most likely be down to differences in the the motion interpolation, deinterlacing and cadence detection algorithms. If Sony and/or Panasonic have BFI, too, then what that could do is improve the motion clarity (lack of blurring) beyond the LG OLEDs, at the expense of losing some brightness.

      No matter what OLED brand you have your eye on this year, this seems like very good news - if LG has improved their panels, everyone else's PQ improves, too.
       
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      I'm sure Steve didn't see any banding in actual content. But when people actually own these panels for longer periods of time it does become apparent and then users will go to slides to demonstrate the issue visibly. The 65 E6 was terrible for this on its release. Pretty much half the owners in the thread sent them back at first. They did improve, but you'd hope the same thing doesn't happen again this year.
      And if you don't agree with someone try to refrain from juvenile sarcasm in response next time. Outline your stance and a grown up conversation can be had.
       
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      That's rather overstating it. I was one of those people, but it wasn't the classic banding issues (that you see only on lower IRE content) that had me and others returning them. There was a defect on a lot of the first batch that had two vertical bands that could be seen on a lot of content. My current E6 is nigh on perfect, and the ONLY time you could possibly see any signs of banding is on a slide. I've watched plenty of challenging content and have seen nothing of concern. It's nothing like the EF950 that's in my bedroom, which has some severe banding.
       
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      I'm planning to buy one of the 2017 OLEDs but this motion handling thing is a worry. Having only seen the usual OLED tech demos on these sets in stores, I'm struggling to understand how these TVs struggle with movement. From what I can gather the TVs aren't actually skipping frames, so what exactly is the problem? And how does it differ from how motion appears on a plasma and an LCD? For example, if I play a 2D side scrolling game (Sonic the Hedgehog for example) on my KURO, the movement is flawlessly smooth. How would Sonic look on an OLED? The game runs at 60fps, which should appear perfectly smooth as long as no frames are being skipped.

      Nice review though Steve, as always. Looking forward to the rest of your OLED reviews, the B7 in particular.
       

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