Luminance Leon
Standard Member
Hi all, and seasonal greetings!
So the LG TV we'd shortlisted came up in stock, so we bought one and I got to build the stand and install it Christmas morning, happy days.
Comparing the image to the old CRT was tough as IPS can't do great blacks and this TV doesn't have amazing levels of white - which isn't terrible as it can help reduce eye strain with a somewhat softer feel. Set to Cinema mode, dropped the backlight and tweaked a few settings to reduce out-of-the-box garishness, and I think it was an improvement in realism over the CRT, which may have been changing colour with age.
Anyway, enough waffle...
I grabbed the old Windows 7 netbook with the latest HCFR (v3.5.1.4) installed , the ColourMunki Display colourimeter and an HDMI cable and set about seeing if I can dial things in a somewhat organised fashion.
Reviews of some other IPS LG TVs suggested the following settings:
Using this as a base, Warm 2 was too yellow, and Warm 1 was a little cold. Brightness was far too milky, and a more reasonable 25 made for a more realistic image at some expense of shadow detail.
I fired up HCFR for the first time, I have used DisplayCAL before which just does it all for me and created a LUT at the end too. This time I knew I would have to be much more hands on with adjustments, getting feedback as I go. No where to load in a LUT here!
HDTV Rec709 and the 25%/75% version seemed to be the right choice. D6500 white point. Gamma 2.2 power.
I started with a grey scale measurement, and it showed that things weren't too bad, just that blue was lacking across the board - the reason why it was too yellow!
My first thought was to start messing with the IRE100 10 point adjustments, adding blue along the way. It was slow and tedious and I am not sure I was getting anywhere. One step forward seemed like a step back. It wasn't really clear which % measurement actually corresponded to what IRE % setting, I think there was shift/overlap.
Deciding to abandon that approach, I went to the equally setup "isf Bright Room" setting (looked identical with same base settings as "isf Dark Room", so I had a quick A/B comparison). Instead of the granular 10 step or even more so, 22 step, I went with the two point adjustment High and Low.
These settings were much quicker to play with and get instant results across the board.
Apart from the very lowest dark, I have a measured dE around 1 for the 10% greyscale points. The gamma curve is followed very closely, with only the darkest 3 points being ever so slightly lighter than the curve.
I have work to do with the actual colours themselves, as the primary and secondary scans seemed to show some large dE shifts, and the triangle plot showed blue and red to lack saturation or extension.
For watching it's a pleasant image for sure.
So the LG TV we'd shortlisted came up in stock, so we bought one and I got to build the stand and install it Christmas morning, happy days.
Comparing the image to the old CRT was tough as IPS can't do great blacks and this TV doesn't have amazing levels of white - which isn't terrible as it can help reduce eye strain with a somewhat softer feel. Set to Cinema mode, dropped the backlight and tweaked a few settings to reduce out-of-the-box garishness, and I think it was an improvement in realism over the CRT, which may have been changing colour with age.
Anyway, enough waffle...
I grabbed the old Windows 7 netbook with the latest HCFR (v3.5.1.4) installed , the ColourMunki Display colourimeter and an HDMI cable and set about seeing if I can dial things in a somewhat organised fashion.
Reviews of some other IPS LG TVs suggested the following settings:
Mode: "isf Dark Room"
Backlight: 46
Contrast: 80-90
Brightness: 50
Colour: 50
Sharpness: 10
Tint: 0
Colour Gamut: Auto
Gamma: 2.2
Mode: Warm 2
All of those dynamic and auto image adjusting enhancements should be disabled.
Backlight: 46
Contrast: 80-90
Brightness: 50
Colour: 50
Sharpness: 10
Tint: 0
Colour Gamut: Auto
Gamma: 2.2
Mode: Warm 2
All of those dynamic and auto image adjusting enhancements should be disabled.
Using this as a base, Warm 2 was too yellow, and Warm 1 was a little cold. Brightness was far too milky, and a more reasonable 25 made for a more realistic image at some expense of shadow detail.
I fired up HCFR for the first time, I have used DisplayCAL before which just does it all for me and created a LUT at the end too. This time I knew I would have to be much more hands on with adjustments, getting feedback as I go. No where to load in a LUT here!
HDTV Rec709 and the 25%/75% version seemed to be the right choice. D6500 white point. Gamma 2.2 power.
I started with a grey scale measurement, and it showed that things weren't too bad, just that blue was lacking across the board - the reason why it was too yellow!
My first thought was to start messing with the IRE100 10 point adjustments, adding blue along the way. It was slow and tedious and I am not sure I was getting anywhere. One step forward seemed like a step back. It wasn't really clear which % measurement actually corresponded to what IRE % setting, I think there was shift/overlap.
Deciding to abandon that approach, I went to the equally setup "isf Bright Room" setting (looked identical with same base settings as "isf Dark Room", so I had a quick A/B comparison). Instead of the granular 10 step or even more so, 22 step, I went with the two point adjustment High and Low.
These settings were much quicker to play with and get instant results across the board.
"ifs Dark Room" or "isf Bright Room"
Backlight: 45
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 25
Sharpness: 10
Colour: 50
Tint: 0
Expert
Gamut: Auto
Gamma: 2.2
White Balance: Warm2
2 Point :
Low Red 1, Green 0, Blue 3
High Red -4, Green 0, Blue 14
Backlight: 45
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 25
Sharpness: 10
Colour: 50
Tint: 0
Expert
Gamut: Auto
Gamma: 2.2
White Balance: Warm2
2 Point :
Low Red 1, Green 0, Blue 3
High Red -4, Green 0, Blue 14
Apart from the very lowest dark, I have a measured dE around 1 for the 10% greyscale points. The gamma curve is followed very closely, with only the darkest 3 points being ever so slightly lighter than the curve.
I have work to do with the actual colours themselves, as the primary and secondary scans seemed to show some large dE shifts, and the triangle plot showed blue and red to lack saturation or extension.
For watching it's a pleasant image for sure.