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Lexus IS220d F-Sport

mikeclark007

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Anyone got one of these with an opinion?

Went looking for a new CT200 Hybrid to replace my Honda CR-Z thats not even a year old and ended up coming across one of these at a great price / spec.

Took it for a test drive and from someone who drives an Astravan throughout the week I really liked it.
 

FZR400RRSP

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I checked out the IS220 sport when renewing my company car.
I really liked it, especially the Mark Levinson stereo option (which is daft expensive)
But poor rear seat access and room once you get them in put me off, along with inefficient diesels compared with BMW/Audi.
High co2 = high company car tax.
If lack of rear room and high co2 isn't an issue for you, nice motors.
 

mikeclark007

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I checked out the IS220 sport when renewing my company car.
I really liked it, especially the Mark Levinson stereo option (which is daft expensive)
But poor rear seat access and room once you get them in put me off, along with inefficient diesels compared with BMW/Audi.
High co2 = high company car tax.
If lack of rear room and high co2 isn't an issue for you, nice motors.
Quite surprised how much comes as standard on it knowing how much you pay for such extras on BMW / Audi alternatives. Think the only optional extras from the main site is the Sat Nav option and DAB option. It has the sat nav along with Mark Levinson audio so that's a bonus. Pity mine isn't coming with the Black alloys as I've grown accustomed to these on my CR-Z although I realise these are the standard wheels on the other 2/3 options (mine included) carry a +£1450 premium
 

oska

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Lexus always evaded my attention until a mate bought an ISF. Awesome car fully loaded. I imagine your choice isn't far off that, bar the engine of course. I'd definitely consider one as a company car.
 

FZR400RRSP

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oska said:
. I'd definitely consider one as a company car.
You'd probably reconsider once you worked out your BIK tax based on their poor co2.
I'm paying a lot less tax on my fully loaded £33k BMW than I would a standard £29k Lexus.
As a company car, the Lexus just doesn't cut it.
Even the detuned 220d, now just called the 200d and reduced from 175bhp to 150bhp attracts 19% BIK.
Compared with 13% on my BMW, which is more also powerful than the Lexus.
So my car is more powerful than the Lexus, has more kit and costs less tax?
No contest.
 
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NewBeetle

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You'd probably reconsider once you worked out your BIK tax based on their poor co2.
I'm paying a lot less tax on my fully loaded £33k BMW than I would a standard £29k Lexus.
As a company car, the Lexus just doesn't cut it.
Even the detuned 220d, now just called the 200d and reduced from 175bhp to 150bhp attracts 19% BIK.
Compared with 13% on my BMW, which is more also powerful than the Lexus.
So my car is more powerful than the Lexus, has more kit and costs less tax?
No contest.
I assume that's why most used IS's have nice low mileage (majority privately owned) and most used 3/5 series have huge mileage (large majority lease/company owned)?
 

FZR400RRSP

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NewBeetle said:
I assume that's why most used IS's have nice low mileage (majority privately owned) and most used 3/5 series have huge mileage (large majority lease/company owned)?
Yup.
BMW/Audi must outsell Lexus by a massive margin, mainly in the business sector.
But you can then argue that means they can develop better cars, as they have more money.
The IS has consistently been rated behind the A4/3-series for years, I expect that will be even worse now the new 3-series is out.
Doesn't make the IS a bad car, just not as good as the competition.
 

mikeclark007

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To be honest I'm not too sure what tax this will cost me as the dealer is sticking 12 months on it.

To put it in a financial perspective it's costing me £20k. It was first registered in June '11 and was an ex - demonstrator model (which I always buy) with just over 5k on the clock.
 

DVD-Man

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Lexus one and only diesel engine, they won't make anymore.

The IS200 series in it's current guise is very dated IMO even in the pretend ISF dress up.

Have you considered a Mondeo Titanium X Sport? Much more rewarding drive even not hoofing it and packed with kit.
 

FZR400RRSP

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DVD-Man said:
Have you considered a Mondeo Titanium X Sport? Much more rewarding drive even not hoofing it and packed with kit.
Mondeo drives fine.
But, sorry, Ford are a long way away from Lexus/Audi/BMW in terms of build.
But they're cheaper, so that's what you'd expect.
And a Lexus is RWD, which makes it better than a FWD any day.
 

DVD-Man

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I disagree with the build quality statement, they are no on par but not long behind either.
 

FZR400RRSP

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DVD-Man said:
I disagree with the build quality statement, they are no on par but not long behind either.
IMO its still behind the Passat, never mind the 320/A4/Lexus.
Still too many nasty plastics, like that big garish silver centre console.
Combined with the ugly red display digits/letters Ford use, I can't help thinking it looks like an Amstrad stereo!
But, as I said, you shouldn't expect BMW materials in a Ford priced car.
 

FunkyMonkey

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Mondeos have a less bling interior in the facelift. More black than silver. Toned down. Combined with a more refined face and detailing, removal of niggly problems, addition of fuel saving ideas, better build, anyone that says they are behind a Passat or even a premium marque would be hard pressed to justify their opinion. But I guess that is why they call it opinion and not fact. Review after review place them virtually on a par with Germans, and ahead on drive, except BMW of course. But then, for 99% of people, Fwd is more fun more easily. As long as the car, like Fords, are built to be driven.
 

Thug

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I have the Lexus RX400h (I mention seeing as though you spoke about the hybrid), its a 2006 ('55) model that I bought it in 2009. It has a 3.3ltr petrol engine (no diesels in the RX range), its a 4x4 and has 269bhp. I get about 32mpg and pay £220 road tax per year (or there abouts).

I drive a BMW 330d (or 530d) for work every day, and i am quite a BMW fan (having owned a couple in the past).
I personally think that BMW may be slightly better quality in the look of their componants and not necessarily the build quality. With thge Lexus you get far more as standard than you do the BMW, and the Lexus is a little more exclusive as not as many people have them.

The thing that really impressed me was the quality of service you get from Lexus (despite my car being 5 years old now). You always feel that bit more special and welcome when you go into their showrooms.

I have done about 22,000 miles in mine in the last 14 months and never had a hiccup.

The staff in the showroom have stated to me that although there is nothing wrong as such with the Lexus diesels, they are the weakest link in the line up they do. I didnt go into detail as i wasnt really that interested at the time, but i guess if you ring them (in Teesside) they may tell you why.

I wouldnt hesitate buying another Lexus over a BMW any day.
 

FZR400RRSP

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The staff in the showroom have stated to me that although there is nothing wrong as such with the Lexus diesels, they are the weakest link in the line up they do. I didnt go into detail as i wasnt really that interested at the time, but i guess if you ring them (in Teesside) they may tell you why.
Emissions, simple as that.
Way behind the competition.
 

lovegroova

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Their main market is the USA (where they sell somewhere between 8-10 times as many cars as they do in Europe) where diesel isn't particularly relevant at present, and where they sell the HS Hybrid.

If I was getting a company rep-mobile, then it'd be BMW or Audi for sure.
 
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mikeclark007

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Picked this up yesterday from Stockport (good 2hr drive from home) and I have to say its gorgeous!
Brand new its a £34k car and having looked at other used vehicles the price of this at £20k was very good.
I will admit to having a nightmare leaving the dealer though. I set off in the dark with it pouring down, windows all steamed up and me missing the first 2 Sat Nav instructions. Once I had stuck an extra half an hour on my journey everything was then fine :D

It was information overload in the "handover room" and there are so many electric functions I had a headache upon leaving.

Only decision to make is do I opt for the GAP insurance at £400 spread across 12 months ........... :confused:
 

FZR400RRSP

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Only decision to make is do I opt for the GAP insurance at £400 spread across 12 months ........... :confused:
If you decide GAP is something you want, check out providers other than the dealer.
It's a nice little earner for them, you'd undoubtedly get it cheaper yourself.
 

NewBeetle

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Get some pics up once weather allows.
 

mikeclark007

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Get some pics up once weather allows.
Will do - ill put the pics in the car showroom thread. Should be able to do this tomorrow :smashin:
 

Thug

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Glad you like your new wheels.
Hope you spend many a time admiring yourself as you pass shop windows, lol.
 

mikeclark007

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