Leaf II announcement due tomorrow, who's waiting up?

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    It seems like the warming is more when discharging from the description so far. battery temperature went up and stayed up in use, not so much at charging? Even that limited charging current is higher than the in use discharge discharge current - again only by description of times and battery temp.

    Maybe some cooling when charging and either they forgot about discharge heating in use , or the Maths said the lesser current discharging wouldn’t heat them up so much so save on the fans and get another 10 miles range?

    Maybe the one test driven is faulty? Anybody else had a good go in one yet?
     
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    Unless they have changed the packs had no cooling but they did have heaters for cold climate cars ....
     
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    That's what I thought. It seems to be an issue of turning up at a fast charger still carrying residual heat from a previous fast charge. Something that may never affect the majority of users, but a significant flaw nevertheless.
     
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    Nail on the head.
     
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    Had the same issue on a full day of motorway use on a brand new demo I picked up for a 2 day loan.

    It was a cold day, 5 degrees, 3.5 miles per KW with 2 people on board and 70 mph cruise control on motorway and dual carriageway. First rapid charge ok for 40 minutes, drive on for 40 miles.

    Then car sat static for 90 minutes in cold rain, 3 degrees so should have cooled nicely.

    Back to the car for 130 miles trip home, first the 40 miles back to original services rapid charger and then the problems start with the reduced charging rate. Time out on rapid is 45 mins on Ecotricity and only get 27 KWh, driving now at 65 to save range; stop again and another 45 mins charge only gives me 17 KWh of charge (should be near 37 KWh).

    The 40KW car is fine, just don't expect it to do regular 230 miles plus trips without major headaches.
     
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    No thanks, I think the new leaf on SpeakEV has loads of tales already about real world journeys.
     
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    @paulyoung666 you're the man in the know at Nissan.

    What's the thoughts on the charging problem?
     
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    I wish I knew , I'll see if I can ask about at work for you [emoji106]
     
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    Thanks.

    Part of me is still hoping that they will fix it by a recall or software update etc.

    It's frustrating to think that this is actually what they intended!
     
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    Thanks for that, it’s quite a concern when you need to go on longer trips , not good for a new car.

    Not that happy with mine in this cold weather, even being the old 30kw. Got to have the heater on but reduces mileage.

    Will see what the 60kw can do, as he says that will have temp management system, so hopefully maybe better? If not will go back to an ICE car
     
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    When the new leaf 2.zero comes out will Nissan do good deals on used leafs? I.e like a scrappage scheme for old I.c.e cars?
     
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    I would imagine EV manufacturers will discount according to government schemes (they get the money) plus whatever they wish to afford as an incentive scheme on top. Scrapping ICE cars at their expense is almost certainly not an option they would consider I suspect. Unless the government implement, and pay for, the scheme.

    They could do good deals on used Leafs at dealers of course. I’d imagine that is not much of a discount though as it depends on the margin on the new ones.

    Finally the dealer/franchise can apply any discount they like as well but that is absolutely dependant on what it would cost them in terms of margin. This wouldn’t be different for ice or EV - ease of moving on maybe but at the moment ICE probably easier. They would likely just consider the wholesale price to pass on to an auction to work with so I doubt they would be offering anything spectacular over and above Nissan or government incentives?
     
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    Well Nissan have finally responded.

    Only to say that they are aware of 2 individual issues and are investigating.

    So clearly trying to blame a one off fault with an individual car or charger.

    Not sure how they hope to get that one to stick given that everyone who has tested the car over 2 rapids has reported the problem, and none have been able to disprove it.
     
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    On Nissan website it says trade in an old car 9yrs+, £2000 scrappage towards a used 24kwh. So would it be better to wait a few months to see if they will do the deal on a 30kwh leaf ?
     
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    But when I went to an actual dealer website it says need Pcp then that comes up at 13% a year Apr?
     
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    do your total cost of ownership calculations and don't focus on just one element...The overall picture may look better, or worse :) Eitherway, always look at the whole deal...
     
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    Another question for the Nissan insider @paulyoung666

    I'm hearing murmurs that Nissan have halted suspension of the Leaf in the UK pending the outcome of the #rapidgate investigation.

    No idea if there's any substance or if its just waffle. They certainly aren't doing themselves any favours in terms of PR. From the initial denials to the "isolated incidents" etc. The last word at all from Nissan was that they were going to have an official update/response by the start of last week. A full week behind that schedule now and it's radio silence.
     
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    Shame about the issue(s) with this car. I saw my first one in the “wild” today. It actually looks very nice I think.
     
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    Nissan Europe director saying - “In some instances it can also be the charger itself that is to blame”....would you believe it any excuse.

    I realise it can have an effect, like if it’s not working :confused:
     
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    Some chargers do charge at a slightly lower rate than others, but none routinely charge at 22-27kw which is what happens when rapidgate rears its ugly head.
     
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    Nissan say in that linked arctic LR that it isn’t misleading buyers about the time for a second (and more) multiple rapid charges - it is in the owner’s manual.

    100% not giving prospective buyers the information. Nissan have no arguement they aren’t misleading buyers until the salesman and buyer information gives the information. You only find out when you have bought the car. Most will definitely be basing the purchase on the bigger battery and rapid charging taking up to 60 minutes. Turns out you are better off getting the smaller battery and allow more charges.

    Going that big they need battery conditioning. It adds to the cost but without it as Nissan are finding out the bigger battery is of little advantage to the average user.
     
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    All this could have been avoided if they had explained up front that it had a maximum daily range of 336 miles ((WLTP COMBINED CYCLE) x 2). ie fully charged plus one full re-charge, and that if you needed more range subsequent charges would take much longer. For most owners that would have been sufficient and those that needed multiple charges in one day could have looked elsewhere..
     
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