LCD -matrices,differences and what models are placed

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adtomov

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Hello
I am wondering between Samsung UE40D6500 and UE40ES6100. If I good understand UE40D6500 has S-PVA panel. What kind of panel is in UE40ES6100?....

slav, according to the service manual (ertdh:smashin:), the service menu panel code is 40A1AF6E, which means a Samsung panel (S-PVA).
:)
 

heretic

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Hi guys,
I am considering two 37" LED TVs:

1) Hi-end 2012 model of Finlux, sold in Czechia as 37FLSYR905LHU (32" 100Hz FULL HD LED - Finlux)

2) Mid-class LG, sold in Czechia as 37LM611S
(LG 37LM611S - Cinema 3D - Dual Play - LCD LED TV - 3D TV - LG Electronics CZ)

Does anyone know which panels are used in the above TVs, and could you generally compare them for me?
I dont insist on 3D, and I of course know that hi-end Finlux can be worse choice than mid-end LG; I shall also add that the Finlux is considerably cheaper.
I know where Finlux is manufactured etc., but I read some quite positive reactions on their TVs, and if the above TVs were comparable from 2D picture quality viewpoint (including upscaling from sub-HD resolutions and movement sharpness), I would gladly spare money and buy the Finlux TV.

Thanks all for informative comments :)
 
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dadash

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I've never heard of Finlux but if you read my post above (2nd from top) LG swapped my faulty screen under warranty last week for a new one, here in my flat! He used the kitchen table to do the work....
Now I have a very watchable Super-IPS 3D Panel: LC420EUF SDPX ID:LGDGZ Light-Guide: PMMA 6900L-0518A 120310 6AK (made in China)
Does Finlux offer that service?
 

hristoslav2

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Hi guys,
I am considering two 37" LED TVs:

1) Hi-end 2012 model of Finlux, sold in Czechia as 37FLSYR905LHU (32" 100Hz FULL HD LED - Finlux)

Why did you decide that this is a model 2012 ?

In my opinion, model code relies so


How to model relies Finlux 42FLHER905HUW
42 - Diagonal in inches
F - flat screen
L - Led backlight
H - Full HD
  • S - 100/200Hz
Е - Insert the tuner
  • Y - DVB-T/C MPEG 2/4
  • E - DVB-T/C
  • X - DVB-T MPEG 2/4
  • D - DVB-T
  • R - PVR
9 - series
  • 9 - flagship
  • 8 - Hi-end
  • 7 - middle class
  • 6 - budget
0 - ??
  • 5 -
  • 6 -
  • 0 -
5 - year model ?
  • 7 - 2012
  • 6 - 2011
  • 5 - 2010
  • 4 - 2009
  • 3 - 2008г
H - ?
  • Н - basic model / (another matrix)
  • V -
  • R - PVR
  • P - Fullpix engine
  • S - scanning backlight /200hz/
U - USB port
  • L - LED backlight
  • S - Slim dizain
W - white hull
  • D -built-in DVD player



Finlux 32FLY137BPU - model 2012 !

FINLUX in 2009 was bought by the Turkish electronics maker Vestel / Vestel Scandinavia Ab / - owned by Zorlu Holding. All activities were terminated in Finland. Produced in Turkey.
Elektronik E
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlux

You can see videopanel raised in the service menu.
In the service menu is accessed by pressing a combination of buttons on the remote control - MENU 4725 4725
 
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dadash

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Why did you decide that this is a model 2012 ?
In my opinion, model code relies so


How to model relies Finlux 42FLHER905HUW
42 - Diagonal in inches
F - flat screen
L - Led backlight
H - Full HD
  • S - 100/200Hz

Е - Insert the tuner
  • Y - DVB-T/C MPEG 2/4
  • E - DVB-T/C
  • X - DVB-T MPEG 2/4
  • D - DVB-T
  • R - PVR

9 - series
[*]9 - flagship
[*]8 - Hi-end
[*]7 - middle class
[*]6 - budget
[/list]

0 - ??
[*]5 -
[*]6 -
[*]0 -
[/list]

5 - year model ?
  • 5 - 2010
  • 4 - 2009
  • 3 - 2008г/list]H - ?
    • Н - базов модел/(друга матрица)
    • V -
    • R - PVR
    • P - Fullpix engine
    • S - scanning backlight /200hz/

    U - USB port
    • L - LED backlight
    • S - Slim dizain

    W - white hull
    • D -built-in DVD player




    FINLUX in 2009 was bought by the Turkish electronics maker Vestel / Vestel Scandinavia Ab / - owned by Zorlu Holding. All activities were terminated in Finland. Produced in Turkey.
    Elektronik E



  • Grundig was also bought by the Turkish holding "beko". They produce high quality LCD/LEDs under the Grundig name.
 

heretic

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Hristoslav, I have recently received the new Finlux CZ pricelist, and:

- 2 models are specifically marked as NEW: 32FLHSR905LHU and 55FLSR990LU, both with DVBS2-T+C

- almost all models have 905 in the middle, two have 850, and one 990

Hence, I dont think that your year decoding is correct.
 

heretic

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I've never heard of Finlux but if you read my post above (2nd from top) LG swapped my faulty screen under warranty last week for a new one, here in my flat! He used the kitchen table to do the work....
Now I have a very watchable Super-IPS 3D Panel: LC420EUF SDPX ID:LGDGZ Light-Guide: PMMA 6900L-0518A 120310 6AK (made in China)
Does Finlux offer that service?

Sure not - I am aware that LG does this favor from 37" up :)
 

rachetino

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Is there any way to find out which panel is placed in TV? I would like to check panel characteristics on web site such as www.panelook.com especially for LG TV's 26LE5500 and 32LV2500. If is solution to go in service menu I really can't get there. Pressing or maybe holding menu button for more than 5 sec just won't work.

Anyone, please
 
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adtomov

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Is there any way to find out which panel is placed in TV? I would like to check panel characteristics on web site such as www.panelook.com especially for LG TV's 26LE5500 and 32LV2500.....
Anyone, please

rachetino, please
check the rear panel sticker matrix code letter for both TV sets, for example for LG 19LH2000:
19LH2000 - "ZA.ARURLBU"
"R" - matrix type code letter, as follows:

R - LG Display Co.Ltd. TN
W - LG Display Co.Ltd. S-IPS / year 2010/
Y - LG Display Co.Ltd. S-IPS /year 2011/
U - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WUN SAB1/SAB2
P - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WXN SBA1/SBA2
Q - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WXN SAA1/SAA2
V - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WUD SBA1/SBA2
G - CHI MEI OPTOELECTRONICS CORP. TN
H - CHI MEI OPTOELECTRONICS CORP. S-MVA
J - CHI MEI OPTOELECTRONICS CORP. S-MVA
D - AU OPTRONICS CORP. AMVA
T - AU OPTRONICS CORP. AMVA
M - SHARP CORPORATION VA
S - SHARP CORPORATION VA
;)
 
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rachetino

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Thanks adtomov,

I checked rear panel sticker:
26LE5500-ZA.BEUWLJP (manufactured December 2010)
32LV2500-ZG.BEUYLJP (manufactured February 2012)
They were both assemled in Poland and have same type of matrix - S-IPS.
Picture in 26" model is really great, without complaints. But in 32" is less so great. Not so wide viewing angle with much contrast lost viewing from diagonal. And it seems that 26" model is much brighter just as it should be. Maybe it's because of less dynamic contrast - 3mil vs. 1mil in favor of 26LE5500.
All these reasons are why I would like to check panel model.

Anyway much thanks to all people running this forum and this thread, especially adtomov and hristoslav who help us to learn something new and useful.
 

lega

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hello guys
i just got my philips 40 inch 5507 model and i was looking at rear sticker on tv and i cant see any similar codes which someone posted on previous page for panels
LK400D3LC (SHARP)
LTA400HV (SAMSUNG)
can someone plz help me to see what panel i have

thanks
 

withoutwings

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rachetino, please
check the rear panel sticker matrix code letter for both TV sets, for example for LG 19LH2000:
19LH2000 - "ZA.ARURLBU"
"R" - matrix type code letter, as follows:

R - LG Display Co.Ltd. TN
W - LG Display Co.Ltd. S-IPS / year 2010/
Y - LG Display Co.Ltd. S-IPS /year 2011/
U - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WUN SAB1/SAB2
P - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WXN SBA1/SBA2
Q - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WXN SAA1/SAA2
V - LG Display Co.Ltd. IPS WUD SBA1/SBA2
G - CHI MEI OPTOELECTRONICS CORP. TN
H - CHI MEI OPTOELECTRONICS CORP. S-MVA
J - CHI MEI OPTOELECTRONICS CORP. S-MVA
D - AU OPTRONICS CORP. TN
T - AU OPTRONICS CORP. AMVA
M - SHARP CORPORATION VA
S - SHARP CORPORATION VA
;)

So I was having a discussion with some of the staff in a Richer Sounds store today, and they had four 2012 LG 42-inch LS5600 TVs in stock. I got them to check the codes, and 3 of them had a 'D' meaning (assuming the above is still accurate for 2012 models) an Optronics TN panel, and one of them was 'W' - meaning they're using a 2010 IPS panel in a brand new TV??? Or have they gone back to 'W' for the 2012 ones now??

Was there a noticeable difference anyway (speed, clarity, etc) between the 'W' and 'Y' IPS panels?
 
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marka07

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Hi,

I bought Samsung UE32D6120 LED TV, type is 32P1UF3E (Chi Lin S-MVA, I think). How much this panel is worse than original and what impact does it have on picture quality? Viewing angle is good.

Thanks.
 

hristoslav2

Active Member
So I was having a discussion with some of the staff in a Richer Sounds store today, and they had four 2012 LG 42-inch LS5600 TVs in stock. I got them to check the codes, and 3 of them had a 'D' meaning (assuming the above is still accurate for 2012 models) an Optronics TN panel, and one of them was 'W' - meaning they're using a 2010 IPS panel in a brand new TV??? Or have they gone back to 'W' for the 2012 ones now??

Was there a noticeable difference anyway (speed, clarity, etc) between the 'W' and 'Y' IPS panels?

D - AU OPTRONICS CORP. - A-MVA
W - LG Display Co.Ltd. - AS-IPS

The difference between the 'W' and 'Y' is only in backlighting , difuzers and controllers.

Hi,
I bought Samsung UE32D6120 LED TV, type is 32P1UF3E (Chi Lin S-MVA, I think). How much this panel is worse than original and what impact does it have on picture quality? Viewing angle is good.
Thanks.
By contrast, are almost identical, the difference is a better colour rendering of the S-MVA.
 
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marka07

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D - AU OPTRONICS CORP. - A-MVA
W - LG Display Co.Ltd. - AS-IPS

The difference between the 'W' and 'Y' is only in backlighting , difuzers and controllers.


By contrast, are almost identical, the difference is a better colour rendering of the S-MVA.

Thanks for the reply. Better colour rendering has S-MVA or the original (I think S-PVA)?
 

withoutwings

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D - AU OPTRONICS CORP. - A-MVA
W - LG Display Co.Ltd. - AS-IPS

The difference between the 'W' and 'Y' is only in backlighting , difuzers and controllers.

Ok thanks, so just to confirm that this means that the letters have slightly different meanings for 2012 models? (I thought the angle on the display 'D' unit seemed better than a TN could produce...)
Edit: Never mind about the 'D' code, just saw this.

Also, what specifically are these differences in the backlighting, difuzers and controllers - is 'W' better or worse than 'Y'? And will that make much real-world difference to the viewer, if any?
 
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herosrule

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so is there such a thing as an spva 2 panel? Ive been to panellook and found that Samsung make literally dozens of variations of spva panels.
 

adtomov

Active Member
hello guys
i just got my philips 40 inch 5507 model and i was looking at rear sticker on tv and i cant see any similar codes which someone posted on previous page for panels
LK400D3LC (SHARP)
LTA400HV (SAMSUNG)
can someone plz help me to see what panel i have

thanks

lega, Philips 40PFL5507 has UV2A panel (Sharp).;)

...., and 3 of them had a 'D' meaning (assuming the above is still accurate for 2012 models) an Optronics TN panel,....

withoutwings, 'D' meaning refers to an AUO AMVA panel, as hristoslav2 has replied. I've corrected my previous post.
;)
 
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withoutwings

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Thanks to hristoslav2 and adtomov!

My final question is what exactly are the differences (to a viewer) between the 'W' or 'Y' LG IPS panels? Or is it mostly insignificant?
 

adtomov

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Thanks to hristoslav2 and adtomov!
My final question is what exactly are the differences (to a viewer) between the 'W' or 'Y' LG IPS panels? Or is it mostly insignificant?

withoutwings, You know, I don't know exactly, but I wouldn't bet between two S-IPS matrices at all. Let me say that I am a high contrast LCD panel adherent, so my choice are PVA panels, of course. IPS based panels have best response time and good color reproduction. But they commonly suffer from high side angle black state light emission and relatively low front side contrast. Thus, IPS panel manufacturers still rely mainly on increasing white state light emission (transmittance) in order to improve contrast, which leads to ways above standard light emission at 100% IRE white state. Hope we'll see some significant improvements in the near future... The only partial exception are IPS-Pro (Alpha)- based panels (Panasonic, Hitachi), which have the best side view color reproduction (best viewing angle among all present types of LCD panels) for now.;)

The reason, I am replying that way, is that 99% of LCD TV users do not understand the main feature of a LCD matrix related to its proper color reproduction - its NATIVE contrast ratio. "NATIVE" contrast ratio is the ratio between the light emission at 100% IRE white state and 0%IRE white state (black state) at constant backlight emission (no backlight steering applied - dimming, dynamic backlight etc..). The upper limit of the 100% IRE white state, according to the standard, is near 30-40 ftL or 103 - 140 Cd/m2, so You understand, that the only proper way to increase contrast is not increasing white state light emission, but decreasing black state light emission (achieving deeper blacks of the panel ).

This is the main reason that plasma panels still exist - they have ability to produce much deeper blacks than LCD due to phosphor cells die-out during black state, combining with virtually no color reproduction viewing angle dependency.

The native contrast ratio of modern IPS panel gravitates around 1000/1 - 1200/1 and that of certain VA-based panels may reach 2100/1 - 2500/1. Both types of panels are being improved constantly. ;)

Hope have been useful to all....
;)
 
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withoutwings

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withoutwings, You know, I don't know exactly, but I wouldn't bet between two S-IPS matrices at all. Let me say that I am a high contrast LCD panel adherent, so my choice are PVA panels, of course. IPS based panels have best response time and good color reproduction. But they commonly suffer from high side angle black state light emission and relatively low front side contrast. Thus, IPS panel manufacturers still rely mainly on increasing white state light emission (transmittance) in order to improve contrast, which leads to ways above standard light emission at 100% IRE white state. Hope we'll see some significant improvements in the near future... The only partial exception are IPS-Pro (Alpha)- based panels (Panasonic, Hitachi), which have the best side view color reproduction (best viewing angle among all present types of LCD panels) for now.;)

The reason, I am replying that way, is that 99% of LCD TV users do not understand the main feature of a LCD matrix related to its proper color reproduction - its NATIVE contrast ratio. "NATIVE" contrast ratio is the ratio between the light emission at 100% IRE white state and 0%IRE white state (black state) at constant backlight emission (no backlight steering applied - dimming, dynamic backlight etc..). The upper limit of the 100% IRE white state, according to the standard, is near 30-40 ftL or 103 - 140 Cd/m2, so You understand, that the only proper way to increase contrast is not increasing white state light emission, but decreasing black state light emission (achieving deeper blacks of the panel ).

This is the main reason that plasma panels still exist - they have ability to produce much deeper blacks than LCD due to phosphor cells die-out during black state, combining with virtually no color reproduction viewing angle dependency.

The native contrast ratio of modern IPS panel gravitates around 1000/1 - 1200/1 and that of certain VA-based panels may reach 2100/1 - 2500/1. Both types of panels are being improved constantly. ;)

Hope have been useful to all....
;)

Thanks, that was very informative! I am aware of IPS' shortcomings, but having IPS on my phone and laptop displays already I have to say that I'm very much in love with the crisp clarity and colour reproduction. So I'm thinking I might just go in and pick up the one IPS TV that my local shop had in stock... :)
 
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