LCD -matrices,differences and what models are placed *Part 2*

ourKid16

Standard Member
Hello, I need your help!

I chose to buy a Samsung 46F6100, but I'd like to know exactly what panel it has.
I see the TV today, and I see that the angle of vision is limited.
I knew that tha panel is a PVA, not PSA-VA, but I doubt that is an MVA, because the angle of vision si too limited. If it is a PVA, the angle must be better than a PSA-VA or no?
How much is the angle of the of the 46F6100 and which is the panel?

Thank you very much!
 
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Loopthrough

Well-known Member
In the UK Sony market a 50" model with a LG IPS panel. This is a defo as it is passive 3D capable and AFAIK passive 3D is only available with LG IPS panels.
It's not an IPS panel. It's an AUO AMVA5 or AMVA3 with a passive 3D layer. Contrast / viewing angle is similar to PSA.
 

Loopthrough

Well-known Member
Well the 46" as the same AUO panel!!
I would definitely rank AUO panels below anything that Samsung makes themselves. I have seen several of them now and not been impressed. They usually have issues with banding/DSE/clouding and limited contrast and viewing angles in comparison with ones by Samsung themselves. I think Chi Mei may be one to watch, though, as they're making panels with extremely good black levels (Panasonic E6, for example). I always rated SHARP panels highly, but try finding one now!
 

tazmago

Well-known Member
Anyone know what type of panel and pixel structure the 40" W905a uses. Has anyone ever taken a macro shot of the panel? I know the 46 and 55" versions use a PSA panel but the 40" is different.
 

adisan

Novice Member
Hello,

I have accidentally modified the panel type from the service menu and i would like to know how can i spot my original panel type by checking the tv serial number or something.

Thx

Adisan

UE-46F6500
 

toadz

Active Member
Can anyone please tell me the panel in a sony kdl-65w855a, in particular the native speed?

Thanks
 

toadz

Active Member
@toadz, you can find your answer on the same domain as posted before:
UHDTV.ro - Ghid specificații TV LED Sony generația 2013

To answer your question directly the 65W855A has a panel with a native refresh rate of 100Hz.
Many thanks. This describes the panel as an s-pva not a PSL Samsung panel. Looking at the link below and a macro shot of my own panel it appears to be a PSL type? Why can't they put the information in the tech specs...
Screen Technology and Sub-Pixels Up Close
 

avoided

Novice Member
Can you please post the macro shot?
I suppose you are talking about PSA (polymer sustained alignment). Basically that is still just a PVA with PSA applied for cost reduction reasons (amongst others).
 

toadz

Active Member
Can you please post the macro shot?
I suppose you are talking about PSA (polymer sustained alignment). Basically that is still just a PVA with PSA applied for cost reduction reasons (amongst others).
According to the link a pls (correction not psl) panel is Samsung's variant of an IPS panel but cheaper to produce. Will upload shot later but it looks just like the one in the link.
 

lloydread

Well-known Member
I believe the W85 panel is AUO MVA with PSA, similar to Samsung's but in my experience if you can get a macro shot the sub-pixel structure is upside down compared to Samsungs. Basically very similar but Colour washout and response time is "slightly" worse in AUO
 

toadz

Active Member
I believe the W85 panel is AUO MVA with PSA, similar to Samsung's but in my experience if you can get a macro shot the sub-pixel structure is upside down compared to Samsungs. Basically very similar but Colour washout and response time is "slightly" worse in AUO
Ok having looked under 60x miniature microscope its an s-PVA screen as per links above, have also checked panel number on service menu and it is a nud3y650ln0103. ( can't find that if I Google it though!)
 

lloydread

Well-known Member
Are you able to upload any pics or attach exactly which picture you mean?
 

toadz

Active Member
Under the microscope it looks identical to this picture from the digitalversus link I posted before. Having read the article again it reads as a psa/pva? (Give me strength) any ideas I'm lost now
dalle-lcd-C-PVA-CX520-2.jpg
 

lloydread

Well-known Member
Although all the VA tech looks roughly the same as per your post, they all look ever so slightly different, the PSA part I 'think' is the parts of the subpixel, so you can see the 8 + 8 blocks of each pixel colour.... So rather than big block of one red, one green, one blue you get the 16 squares that make each colour, I believe this is how better blacks are had. So from my understanding PSA is simply an addon design in to VA technology, i.e. SPVA-PSA
 

toadz

Active Member
Although all the VA tech looks roughly the same as per your post, they all look ever so slightly different, the PSA part I 'think' is the parts of the subpixel, so you can see the 8 + 8 blocks of each pixel colour.... So rather than big block of one red, one green, one blue you get the 16 squares that make each colour, I believe this is how better blacks are had. So from my understanding PSA is simply an addon design in to VA technology, i.e. SPVA-PSA
Thanks for that, must do some more reading to get more understanding of the tech.
 

dccavf

Novice Member
Hello all.

Just to share my findings.

It seems Sharp still makes (excellent) panels smaller than 50", and Samsung uses them.

I have bought an UE40F5500 in Europe (Romania) just before Christmas, and it has a very good Sharp panel. It's an UV2A, has excellent contrast (measured at about 5000:1 using the tool at lagom.nl), no visible ghosting and very decent viewing angles (for a non-IPS). I'm not sure how the Samsung's S-PVA could be better than this, it may be so, but I wouldn't exchange it for anything else.

I have uploaded a macro of the subpixel structure, it confirms it's an UV2A, as seen here and elsewhere.

Dan
 

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lloydread

Well-known Member
I have a sharp from 2011 but this is the 4 pixels (rgby)... I find the viewing angle, black level and ghosting very good but reviews of Sharp TVs are all pretty bad - I assume they have a good panel but bad user interface ruining it :(
 

catalin1962

Novice Member
Service manual
GSFS
LG Electronics European Training Portal
SCS System


Increased the quantity of models LA660-LA691 with new matrices 120 Hz.
From early July matrices real frequency of 120 Hz are placed in the following models:

42LA660S-ZA.BPDZLJG 42LA660S-ZA.BEEZLJG 42LA660S-ZA.BEUZLJG 42LA660S-ZA.BPIZLJG 42LA660S-ZA.BFPZLJG 42LA660V-ZA.BRUZLJU 42LA660V-ZA.BDRZLJU 42LA660V-ZA.BENZLJG
42LA662V-ZC.BDRZLJU 42LA662V-ZC.BRUZLJU
42LA667S-ZB.BEEZLJG 42LA667S-ZB.BEUZLJG 42LA667S-ZB.BPDZLJG 42LA667S-ZB.BPIZLJG 42LA667V-ZB.BDRZLJU 42LA667V-ZB.BRUZLJU 42LA667V-ZB.BENZLJG
42LA669V-ZE.BDRZLJU 42LA669V-ZE.BRUZLJU
42LA690S-ZB.BEUZLJG 42LA690S-ZB.BPIZLJG 42LA690S-ZB.BEEZLJG 42LA690V-ZB.BENZLJG 42LA690V-ZB.BDRZLJU 42LA690V-ZB.BRUZLJU
42LA691S-ZA.BPIZLJG 42LA691S-ZA.BEEZLJG 42LA691S-ZA.BEUZLJG 42LA691V-ZA.BENZLJG 42LA691V-ZA.BDRZLJU 42LA691V-ZA.BRUZLJU
47LA660S-ZA.BEUZLJG 47LA660S-ZA.BFPZLJG 47LA660S-ZA.BEEZLJG 47LA660S-ZA.BPDZLJG 47LA660S-ZA.BPIZLJG 47LA660V-ZA.BENZLJG 47LA660V-ZA.BDRZLJU 47LA660V-ZA.BRUZLJU 47LA660V-ZA.BEKZLJG
47LA662V-ZC.BDRZLJU 47LA662V-ZC.BRUZLJU
47LA667S-ZB.BEEZLJG 47LA667S-ZB.BEUZLJG 47LA667S-ZB.BPIZLJG 47LA667V-ZB.BENZLJG 47LA667V-ZB.BRUZLJU 47LA667V-ZB.BDRZLJU
47LA669V-ZE.BDRZLJU 47LA669V-ZE.BRUZLJU
47LA690S-ZB.BEEZLJG 47LA690S-ZB.BPDZLJG 47LA690S-ZB.BEUZLJG 47LA690S-ZB.BPIZLJG 47LA690V-ZB.BEKZLJG
47LA691S-ZA.BEUZLJG 47LA691S-ZA.BPIZLJG 47LA691S-ZA.BEEZLJG 47LA691V-ZA.BENZLJG
55LA660S-ZA.BEUZLJG 55LA660V-ZA.BEKZLJG 55LA660V-ZA.ARUZLH
55LA690S-ZB.BEEZLJG 55LA690S-ZB.BEUZLJG 55LA690S-ZB.BFPZLJG 55LA690V-ZB.BDRZLJU 55LA690V-ZB.BRUZLJU 55LA690V-ZB.BENZLJG
55LA691S-ZA.BEEZLJG 55LA691V-ZA.BDRZLJU 55LA691V-ZA.BRUZLJU

Determining what a matrix is ​​placed in TV possible fourth point after point in full name of the model: Z-120 Hz, Y-60 Hz (only applies to LA660-LA691).

In 50LA660 and 50LA667 matrices are 120 Hz, but not S-IPS, they are AMVA production from AU OPTRONICS CORP.



(39LN540V-ZA.ADGJLH):
HC390DUN-VCFP1 FHD 39INCH 1920X1080 300CD COLOR 68% 16/9 3000:1 60Hz Inverter N LED 2D W/T-con, 55W/48W/7W, 8bit, 6500K, 178/178, 9.5ms(GTG), LVDS(2ch) HEESUNG ELECTRONICS LTD.

(39LN540V-ZA.ADGDLH):
T390HVN02.2 FHD 39INCH 1920X1080 300CD COLOR 72% 16/9 3000:1 60Hz Inverter Y LED 2D W/T-con, TBD/TBD/9.6W, 8bit, 10000K, 178/178, 6.5ms, LVDS(2ch) AU OPTRONICS CORP
 

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