LCD - Liquid Crystal Disappointment

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mjr600

Guest
It was my intention to change my aged Mitsubishi 28" CRT to a brand new LCD by Xmas.

I'd set a £1000 budget, but

Based on the viewings at the high street shops and specialist dealer, with every type of source fed through every type of cable into every type of input it is my firm belief that based on the source material currently available to Mr Everyman, analogue, Freeview, DVD, Pc input..........

LCD technology is currently overpriced and unable to compete with the PQ of a CRT with a Component, RGB or S Video source.

I had wanted the Samsung Slimfit until the thread on this forum, then the Sharp PAL LCD LC32P50E (which I viewed this afternoon at a specialist and was rubbish).

And now..

Well do I push the old Mitsubishi on a couple of years and hope for LCD, OLED etc technology to improve or buy one of the many run-out CRT's that are almost being given away at this time.

There's no doubt, for less than £500 you can have an awesome 32" CRT with great connectivity.

Why do people pay £1000 and worry about blacks, motion blur, pixel mapping, tearing, are they mad !

Picture the scene, 'Hello neighbour is that your new BMW 330D, the one with the brakes that work now and again and the sat nav that only works in China ?'

Well that's what I think anyway, got a bit more thinking to do and I'm off to watch telly !
 
Why do people pay £1000 and worry about blacks, motion blur, pixel mapping, tearing, are they mad !
As an LCD fan, here's my response - perfect geometry, no glare, no flicker, etc.

But I don't mind about those TOO much - my main reason for going LCD is that there seems to be absolutely no HDTV CRTs in Europe :(
 

Knightshade

Active Member
Yes, I find myself in the same boat. I've been toying with the idea of getting a good LCD TV. Like you I've been singularly unimpressed. My dealer was raving about the quality of the Sharp series. I really can't understand why....
I have a 28" CRT at the moment the only possible thing I can see that's better is the lack of bulk.
Is it purely a fashion statement?
 

Knightshade

Active Member
Lyris said:
But I don't mind about those TOO much - my main reason for going LCD is that there seems to be absolutely no HDTV CRTs in Europe :(
Sorry If I really show my ignorance here but is anyone broadcasting HDTV yet?
 

tugboatbill

Standard Member
Absolutely, I have been reading these forums for a while and keep going between the LCD, plasma, HiDef and CRT forums - today I have made a choice, I am finally going to get a 36" Toshiba CRT - hopefully I can find one for well under £1,000 (if anyone knows where the best place to buy one online please point me in the right direction).

My reasons are that these sets are the pinnacle of 70 years technology development and now in a mad frenzy they are being discarded by all and sundry and I suspect that the LCD screens etc. that the manufacturers have been ltrying to tempt me with will probably be redundent in a short time because the technology will have evolved with SED or something similar.

I am just glad that this AVforum exists - otherwise I would have made a costly mistake. So it's going to be a brand new CRT for me - should keep me amused for a few years :)
 
Sorry If I really show my ignorance here but is anyone broadcasting HDTV yet?
Not in the UK no, but don't forget future-proofing.

Also my upscaling DVD player and games consoles output HD signals, as will my Blu-Ray player.
 

bawheid

Active Member
tugboatbill said:
Absolutely, I have been reading these forums for a while and keep going between the LCD, plasma, HiDef and CRT forums - today I have made a choice, I am finally going to get a 36" Toshiba CRT - hopefully I can find one for well under £1,000 (if anyone knows where the best place to buy one online please point me in the right direction

tugboat I have been through the same quandry this last few weeks and I am thinking the same as you at the mo'

I found the 36" tosh for around £700 here, I think this is a good price

http://www.digitaldirectuk.com/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=8667&sa=DT-SHOPPING

Apologies MJR600 I seem to have given the same link as you :oops:
 

tugboatbill

Standard Member
Thank you mjr600 and ba' heid that link is much appreciated.
 

fallenangle

Active Member
I relucantly have to agree. I've spent the last few weeks seriously considering a HD Ready LCD but in all the comparisons I've seen/read the CRT price/PQ advantage is obvious. Only with HD sources does the HD Ready LCD really come into it's own. I'll bet a CRT with RGB connections/equipment could still be satisfying most of us for years to come.

The early HD adopters are buying TVs which are inferior to CRTs at half the price for many of the purposes we actually want to use them for.
 

Knightshade

Active Member
Lyris said:
Not in the UK no, but don't forget future-proofing.

Also my upscaling DVD player and games consoles output HD signals, as will my Blu-Ray player.
I see what you are saying and almost agree but there is this doubt that tells me it'll be like future proofing a PC.
I doubt i'll bother with Blu-Ray for a good few years. I just don't think there is going to be a big enough leap in quality for Blu-Ray to really take off. I can see it going the same way as SACD and DVD - A. It won't be like going from VHS to DVD so I don't think people will dash out and buy.
I know everyone has different ideals. I'm perfectly happy with DVD and a CRT. My toys are mainly all 2 channel which i'm very fussy with....:)
 
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Bombdogs

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Future proofing can be a very costly business - essentially you're paying todays prices on something that you can't physically use until HDTV broadcasting & blu-ray comes out next year. My question is would it be more prudent to wait those 6 months & pick up the same set for cheaper then? Or even a better one as the technology moves on? Also waiting will give you a better idea of what's what & what your requirements really are.

There is one certainty in consumer electronics - early adopters always get the rough & expensive end of it.

PMF
 

Dfour

Active Member
Lyris said:
my main reason for going LCD is that there seems to be absolutely no HDTV CRTs in Europe :(
Not actually true. The JVC HV32P37 is actually HD 1080i capable.
 

tdodd

Active Member
Bombdogs, The Xbox 360 arrives in four weeks and will be pumping out HD. In another six months, give or take, Sky will be doing the same. You can carry on waiting for technology to improve, options to increase and prices to drop but you have eventually to bite the bullet.

If you have a media center PC, as I do, then HD video is readily available right now, plus a flatscreen does a good job as a computer monitor, whereas a CRT TV is frankly complete poo. Imagine editing your home videos on a 40" set from the comfort of your sofa, rather than hunched over a desk and 17" monitor, or watching your megapixel photo slideshow in pin-sharp focus, vibrant colour and faultless geometry.

There are plenty of good reasons to embrace "the future" now.
 

Eiji

Active Member
Dfour said:
Not actually true. The JVC HV32P37 is actually HD 1080i capable.
As is the Samsung Slimfit and JVC HV-32D40 but the JVC's don't accept 720p input or scale it, they only do 1080i/1125i HD resolutions alongside the SD and ED resolutions.
 
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Bombdogs

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tdodd, of course you are right in that there are reasons to own this technology now, but you must agree that at the moment they are fairly limited & you need very deep pockets to enjoy them. I too wanted a HD screen for the xbox360 & I even bought one, but I was extremely dissapointed with what it did to most of the content I watch at the moment & tbh what most people watch at the moment; namely SKY, freeview & in particular sport. Paying large sums of cash to actually worsen 60-70% of my viewing strikes me as a little mad. Personally, I think it's better to wait 6-12 months until HD broadcasting atually happens & then pick up the screen with better options & cheaper prices.

To put it another way - if money was no object, I'd buy a house with 2 front rooms, 1 with a great CRT in it to watch TV & sport & 1 with a great LCD to watch high end content - I just know I'd be in front room 1 mostly tho.

PMF
 

tdodd

Active Member
I don't disagree with the things you say. It really is a very individual thing. But let's say your TV blew up tonight. Would you buy another CRT to replace it or an LCD/plasma/DLP? If it was my money I'd definitely wave farewell to the CRT and invest in the HD future to come.
 
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Bombdogs

Guest
As it happens my TV did blow up last month :D so as you say, it was only sensible to look into a HD replacement. All LCD's I looked at, I just couldn't justify the cost of, considering what they would do to my normal viewing for the next 6-12months. I tried a halfway house of a HD CRT in the form of the samsung slim-fit, but the processing on it had exactly the same effect as watching an LCD (in addition to it's other probems). I returned it & bought a standard £300 CRT instead & am currently enjoying watching some football on it.

In a rare fit of patience when it comes to all things electronic, I'm waiting.

PMF
 

Knightshade

Active Member
I guess a lot comes down to what you want. I'm not into gaming particularly, I'm happy watching DVD's on a CRT. I don't have sky. A projector would be a better option for me.
For me a CRT is best as most of it's use for the next few years will be freeview and the odd DVD. LCD for me would be a pointless waste of money. Mind you so are speakers on a TV.....
 

TankTopLover

Well-known Member
I agree,i have viewd dozends of lcds,in stores and at friends houses.My 32" CRT is superior when viewing sky digital(which is 90% of my usage).

Makes me laugh too,my friends who own an lcd spend most of their time watching normal tv,i am getting an xbox 360 but i will settle for 480p on my tosh ZP48,at least its better than standard res.

Patience really is a virtue,and i am embracing that.

Its the wise man who gets the goods in this world.
 

chips229

Standard Member
tugboatbill said:
Absolutely, I have been reading these forums for a while and keep going between the LCD, plasma, HiDef and CRT forums - today I have made a choice, I am finally going to get a 36" Toshiba CRT - hopefully I can find one for well under £1,000 (if anyone knows where the best place to buy one online please point me in the right direction).

My reasons are that these sets are the pinnacle of 70 years technology development and now in a mad frenzy they are being discarded by all and sundry and I suspect that the LCD screens etc. that the manufacturers have been ltrying to tempt me with will probably be redundent in a short time because the technology will have evolved with SED or something similar.

I am just glad that this AVforum exists - otherwise I would have made a costly mistake. So it's going to be a brand new CRT for me - should keep me amused for a few years :)
Thats my thoughts 2 years ago when i thought id buy a CRT Toshiba for the same reasons as you,2 years down the road and ive took it in today for repair :suicide: :thumbsdow
The next Tv i buy will be a few hundred one i can just throw away when its broke.Ive lost all trust in things built to last,and i will not be buying a Toshiba product :thumbsdow
Just take out the extra insurance when you buy :)
 

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