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LCD I Must be missing something ?

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs Forum' started by ABP, Sep 12, 2005.

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  1. ABP

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    I love my technology. Latest this that and the other. I like to think I am up to date as most people but I just can't get my head around replacing my 10 Years+ old Panasonic 25" CRT. I have SKY+, Toshiba XS34 DVD Panasonic S-VHS all work very well with the old and dated Panny CRT.

    I have to be convinced of the benefit of laying out my hard earned on something that does not yet have as good a picture as a 10 year old telly.

    I had convinced myself to buy either the Panasonic TX32LXD500 or the fantastic looking Sony KDL-V32A12U but when viewing these sets watching today’s ashes match my eyes could not stop comparing these sets to the much cheaper CRT box they were surrounded by and it was not a favourable comparison. The Free view images were blown out of the water by the old analogue pictures on the CRT's and I started to look beyond the glossy flatness. I just could not convince myself that the pictures were good.

    Thinking it was down to set up or something I asked the TV Specialist what the problem was and he replied quite matter of factually "Who said the picture would be as good as the CRT's"... I did not know hat to say and came away completely bewildered.

    Please can someone explain what I am missing... Please !!!

    AB-P
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  2. Greg Hook

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    For a start, it sounds like you were viewing these sets in a shop right? If it was Comet/Currys etc then most of the sets would be sharing the same crappy feed. It will be difficult to tell the quality of LCD when it's being fed a crappy split feed. You could try asking the tv specialist to hook the tvs you are interested in up to a HD feed. That should tell you which is best.
     
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    Sounds like you were looking in a shop. Where they were splitting the signal across numerous sets...most shops do this as it's difficult to have loads of arials/dishes.

    Saying that...generally with freeview or sky the CRT PQ will look better. LCD/Plasma will look better if you either:

    1. Send a progressive picture from your dvd player or xbox. Try Xbox "ATV vs MX" running in 1080i... wow!

    2. Run a HD feed from Sky HD, XBOX 360 or HD-DVD later this year/early next. A 10 year old CRT won't look any better, the LCD will look incredible.

    There's also the WAF factor. A 32" CRT will take up half of your living room.
     
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    I think you should wait until Sky release HD next year then check out some HD stuff on a nice LCD/Plasma! That should convince you to bin your old CRT!!!!!
     
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    Seen the SONY V series with a 1080i hdtv satellite feed.
    Terrible pixelation around moving objects. And yet the Plasma and CRT's looked so much better.
     
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    I don't think you're missing anything at all. For Freeview, there's a good chance even an old CRT will look better.

    But for DVD's, Sky HD, Blu-ray, HD-DVD, PC stuff, XBox360, the difference will be significant. Roll on the future.

    Ah, the life of a geek on the bleeding edge with too much cash....
     
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    So Greghook,

    Please tell me if i am wrong.
    I do know the HD pics will be good but we will have to wait for them.
    Is either the Sony or the Panasonic capable of a great image on standard def freeview or analogue, i imagine DVD would be better on the LCD's as my Tosh can be progressive. but i was watching LCD and CRT's fed with the same "crappy" feed but the latter did perform better with this low quality signal.
    Is it a feature of LCD & Plasma needing very good signal to perform? and will my Sky+ be able to supply a good enough signal for it to be better than with my current CRT?

    Many thanks

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    Sometimes not always best to go for the highest resolution possible. If the screen is native 720 then best to feed it 720 otherwise the screen has to downscale. Can't remember...I think the rule of thumb is anything under 52 you won't notice a difference between 720 & 1080.
     
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    I know you're not talking to me but I'm quite happy with sky+ feeding my 7.5ft projector screen :)

    CRT does produce a wonderful picture. If you haven't got HD signal then CRT is better....which you know already from your post above ;) :D
     
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    Sorry JUS I just type too slowly and greghook was the first to reply.
    I like to get all info from whoever is kind enough to offer an opinion

    Many thanks to you all.

    Maybe the Panasonic is back on the shopping list

    AB-P
     
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    No worries mate.

    Everything is turning HD and it will make a huge difference. It's like looking out of a window. Either you can buy LCD/Plasma now and be a bit disappointed...blurring etc or hang to your CRT until sky HD is out then buy both and blow your socks off.

    Me, I'm going LCD now so I can feed it with 480p & 720p from my Xbox and then get Sky HD as soon as it arrives :)
     
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    How are we going to connect all of this HD stuff... Blu-Ray, Sky HD etc when it apears that most of the current LCD's only have 1 HDMI input?

    Can you split them or will they loop through Blu-Ray recorders like SCART does at the moment?

    AB-P
     
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    I'll be very surprised if the next wave of new releases (well the higher spec'd ones) will have 2 HDMI connectors, but I think the pass through option you mention will likely happen as well.
     
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    I have just taken delivery of my new Samsung "Freeview" LCD and am very happy with the results.
    My signal strength was never brilliant around here, according to "Freeview" I shouldn't be receiving signals at all !!
    Prior to this I had a Panasonic 28" Freeview CRT which was only 18 months old. I fancied moving up to 32" and was just going to replace the old set with a bigger CRT but when I saw the price of the Samsung and compared it with the price of a decent CRT. I though "what the heck" and bit the bullet.
    Picture quality is on a par with my old set, and once I hook my DVD player up via component (something I couldn't do with my CRT) I am looking forward to the better PQ this should give me.
    I have a fairly small living room compared to a lot of people, and the Samsung just looks so much neater in the corner compared to that bloody great big Panny!
    I am not that switched on where technology is concerned, but at least with the new TV I am now in the position to receive HD broadcasts should I want to go that way.
    A worthwhile change then?
    For me....yes. I am trying to imagine what that particular corner of my room would look like with a massive great 32" CRT!! It doesn't bear thinking about!!
    Just my opinion of course
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    I use mine with a HTPC:- web-browsing, games, HD content, freeview pvr all look great compared to S-Video feed from my graphics card to a CRT.

    It depends on the sources YOU are using NOW. If you haven't got a PC, or XBox etc, then it is best for you to wait until AFTER SkyHD launches.

    Hopefully LCD prices will drop (depends on supply&demand :lesson: :D may initiallly be shortages) and features will improve (1080p / Intergated freeview / Wi-Fi / etc).

    The lack of blacks is offset by detail of HD imho, newer technology eventually wil appear, but even after Sky HD launches LCD will be the main choice for 32-40" displays.
     
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    Know where you're coming from ABP. I've been wanting a second TV for a couple of years now, primarily so I can watch football without getting my ear chewed off by the Mrs. CRT wasn't suitable as I wanted it to be 'mobile'. All LCD's appeared to have an unwatchable picture, particularly for sport, which left Plasma which I did like but the minimum size of 37 inch was overkill for my needs. Never the less, had pretty much decided on a Panasonic TH37PV500 plasma when the Hitachi 32LD7200 LCD caught my eye. I thought the picture looked teriffic, particularly in comparison to other LCD's it was side by side with, such as the Panasonic TX-32LDX500 which you mentioned, so after many revisits, I've just bought one. Check it out and see what you think. At the end of the day, it's down to you and trust your Mk 1 eyeball. Don't feel pressurised into buying the 'latest thing' if the trusty (and good) CRT suits your needs. LCD's can only get better... and cheaper!
     
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    You'll be forced to buy a switch box (approx. £189). Either that or choose/wait for a model of TV which provides two inputs.

    Name one DVD player which currently has both an inbound and outbound HDMI port. And I seriously doubt the SKY HD box will accomodate you - in which case chaining will not be possible.
     
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    Or a new HDMI AV amp to switch video sources.

    You are probably having to switch Digital Audio between sources and your exsisting AV Amp today. My AV amp only has optical or coaxial input, so my PC uses optical, and my DVD player coaxial, that way I can change digital audio sources using the remote.
     
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    Did anyone notice all the snow during the ashes test match yesterday !

    No, thought not - must be my crap new LCD TV then !

    My missus mentioned that she liked those new flat tellys the other day, so not one to miss an opportunity I went out and bought her one !
    I ended up with a Samsung LW17M24C, which on the surface is great, 17" screen which takes up considerably less space than the 14" CRT it replaced.

    "Look at all the space we've gained" we both enthused, "Let's sit and watch it". Only we couldn't. Hooked it up to my analogue aerial and tuned it in. "Well that's rubbish" she says, "not as good as the old one - should be better for 3.5 times the price". I coward in the corner as the blows came raining down.

    So far I have spent another £50 on repositioning the aerial and buying a signal booster. Now we get a picture but I didn't know that so many programmes were made in the arctic during the snowiest snowy season ever.

    Ok, I know that the picture will be (and is) so much better from DVD and Freeview through the scart. However it is still not a patch on my 14" or 32" CRT's.
    The point is my 14" CRT never grumbled about a poor signal - it just worked and worked great. The picture quality was great - well in comparison to the LCD.

    The technology just does not seem to be up to the job at the moment.

    My advice is too look long and hard and get a demo in the scenario you will be using it in whatever that might be, i.e analogue aerial feed, Freeview, HD, SKY etc and with a clean signal feed. If I had practiced what I am preaching I would still have £300 in my pocket to waste on something else.
     
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    Our analogue signal at home has always been crap, we could never watch anything for any length of time on our old CRT.
    But I plugged the Samsung in on Monday night, it scanned the analogue stations first and I was amazed at the picture quality. Not quite as clear as the digital PQ but not far off it.
    Only BBC2 looked as bad as it did before.
    :confused: :confused: :confused:
     

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