1. Join Now

    AVForums.com uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

LCD Black Levels - will it improve?

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by Ramspeed, Jun 27, 2005.

  1. Ramspeed

    Ramspeed
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    522
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Ratings:
    +24
    Hi all

    Is there or will there be in the near future an LCD that can offer black levels to equal CRT and plasma? Of all the complaints aimed at LCD's this seems to be the one that keeps sticking.
     
  2. msg

    msg
    Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2005
    Messages:
    422
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    Darlington
    Ratings:
    +14
    I think OLED technology (no backlight required) will provide the black levels required. As yet this is in its infancy and is just starting to be used for some mobile phone displays.

    Dave
     
  3. ianh64

    ianh64
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,233
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    51
    Location:
    SW London/Surrey borders
    Ratings:
    +63
    Watching in a darkened room LCD blak levels are inferior to CRT & plasma. LCD's have improved and probably will improve further but slowly. However, with ambient lighting and the possibility of reflections, it is a limitation that is soon forgotten. A stray reflection can soon render portion of a CRT or plasma screen unwatchable where as a LCD display will be watchable with little/any visible effect on contrast/black level. So if you do not intend to watch in a room free of possible source of reflections, black levels may be a limitation that you think it is.

    -Ian
     
  4. rockhard

    rockhard
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Wrong were in for a monumental improvement with the new Epson 1080P D5 panels improving ANSI numbers ( 1200 -2000 ) and with varaiable iris achieving CR of 10,000:1 ( can you say inky blacks ) .look out rainbow crowd the year of 1080P LCD is hear and CEDIA in the fall will be a big show with SED , OLED , HD-DVD and 1080P LCD :)
     
  5. richard plumb

    richard plumb
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2002
    Messages:
    14,349
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Location:
    Windsor
    Ratings:
    +1,028
    except this is the LCD *TV* forum, not projector.

    Philips new system for next year is supposed to be able to alter the backlight dynamically per scanline. Supposed to improve contrast/black level a lot.
     
  6. alefsin

    alefsin
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    130
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    Some of the better LCD monitors already have a black level on par or even bettern than pro level CRTs. So in short, yes, in near future we can expect LCD TVs to be as good as CRTs in color reproduction.
     
  7. rockhard

    rockhard
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    "except this is the LCD *TV* forum, not projector. "

    Just what panels do you think the RPTV 's are using ? can you say D5 1080p from Epson .
     
  8. ianh64

    ianh64
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,233
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    51
    Location:
    SW London/Surrey borders
    Ratings:
    +63
    Wrong forum buddy - this is the LCD screen based forum - RPT dispays are discussed in the "DLP Rear Projection TVs" forum.
     
  9. rockhard

    rockhard
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    "Wrong forum buddy - this is the LCD screen based forum - RPT dispays are discussed in the "DLP Rear Projection TVs" forum."

    Just because this is a screen based forum doesn't mean the technology of the panels is any different . 1080P rersoultion panels in the smaller sizes debuting this fall from alot of manufacturers.
     
  10. LV426

    LV426
    Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2000
    Messages:
    12,842
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    Somewhere in South Yorkshire
    Ratings:
    +5,077
    ......and the "DLP Rear Projection TVs" forum is for DLP technology (hence the name!) - not LCD.

    An LCD RP TV is most properly discussed here, in my view.
     
  11. rockhard

    rockhard
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    "....and the "DLP Rear Projection TVs" forum is for DLP technology (hence the name!) - not LCD."


    Did not mean to ruffle your feathers ...but I was discussing LCD ...and I prefer that technology over rainbow DLP...and it is what I own...
     
  12. ianh64

    ianh64
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,233
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    51
    Location:
    SW London/Surrey borders
    Ratings:
    +63
    Correct me if I am wrong, the Epson D5 1080p panel is approximately 0.9-inch used for projection systems?

    This forum is for flat screen LCD TV panels and PC monitors, ie 15" upwards - direct view.

    As mentioned before, there are seperate forums for

    DLP rear projection TV's or any RPTV that may use other technology

    and

    DLP & LCD Projectors
     

Share This Page

Loading...