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Last House On the Left

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  1. Setenza

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    Well distributors Blue Underground have lost there appeal and will have to remove 16 seconds to secure an 18 certificate.

    It's a real shame that this (for good or for bad) milestone movie is to be released in a censored format, and will only encourage punters to buy the forth coming R1 collectors addition, with all it's extras.
     
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    Shame really. I'm originally from Canada, and was really shocked with the censorship in the UK when I first came here. But, you're right. It's only stopping casual buyers by not allowing an uncut release. (are there any casual buyers for LHOTL?) Anybody who wants to see the real version will import it.

    Personally, I think it's rediculous that I have to import Re-Animator from the US just to get the uncut version. Normally, I wouldn't care, as I've seen the offending "head" scene before (and it didn't corrupt me... much) But, I'm guessing that the commentary will be chopped along with the cut, and that's just annoying.

    BTW, nice avatar, Xusia. I picked up S&S on DVD a couple of weeks ago, and it still lives up to my memories of it.
     
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    Thanks, I took a while to find a suitable picture of XOD himself. I love the S&S and wish they had made a sequel as stated in the end credits.

    Back to LHOTL. Here's a quick cut & paste with details:

    The new DVD will be the same as the French and Dutch DVD's, only it will be about a minute longer, running in at about 85 minutes and it will be "uncensored". It will include the complete long lost disembowelment scene in it's entirely assembled from "never before seen dailies". The DVD will also include an audio commentary from director Wes Craven and Sean S. Cunningham. Also, there will be two featurettes, including "Forbidden Footage" which will contain all the deleted scenes and never before scene footage. The other featurette is titled "It's Only A Movie!" The theatrical trailer will also be included on the disk. The movie itself is presented in its original aspect ratio of 1.85:1 and a full screen version is also provided.
     
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    I pity any poor soul that actually buys any version of this steaming turd on a whim. It's one of the most abysmal films ever made, in any version. On one hand you've got rape and murder played completely straight, whilst all the footage with the local police in it is like something out of the Keystone Cops, complete with accompanying "slapstick" music. What the hell were these hacks thinking when they botched this awful film together? It's just plain old bad. Mind you, anything from the likes of Craven and Cunningham is hardly what I'd consider a worthwhile use of celluloid. But that's just me, I guess.
    Fair enough if fans of the film buy it, but anyone who misguidedly buys it on the strength of its (unwarranted) reputation is likely to be very disappointed. It's terrible.
     
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    I gave up expecting anything less from the BBFC years ago. What's the point of trimming this, and many other, films by a few seconds every couple of years until they eventually end up passing them uncut at some point anyway?

    Unless they're in collusion with the distributor's, I can't see a reason for it.

    And that doesn't even bring into the equation the fact that LHOTL is a minority interest film and is highly unlikely to be bought by anyone not already aware of it's content (most of whom will probably have already seen it before on VHS). To most younger kids of today, these films are considered 'boring' and too dated and low budget for them to even bother with.

    Ever heard 15 to 18 year olds talk about the likes of 'Suspiria', 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre' and 'Cannibal Holocaust'? Most just find then quaintly ludicrous.

    Anyway, forget the BBFC, forget our ludicrous levels of censorship and just stick with other Region formats.
     
  6. Lex

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    I have to disagree with this statement a little. I wouldn't wish to be seen to be defending the BBFC :blush: , but generally I think levels of censorship in this country are better than they are in north america. There have been many 18 cert films released uncut in this country which were censored in north america.
    Generally the US is a lot more restricted than in the UK. Especially when it comes to television. I think the biggest problem in this country is the incompatibility of our censorship rating system with americas.
     
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    My personal belief is that the US has the fairest possible solution by allowing the 'Unrated' category for DVD and VHS.

    This seems totally logical to me... allow anything to be released but ensure that:

    (a) Each particular release is clearly marked 'Unrated' so as to avoid any confusion.

    (b) People are made aware that any 'Unrated' film may well contain elements they may not like or enjoy.

    It then comes down to personal choice, responsibility and taste as to whether someone buys an 'Unrated' product or not.

    Generally the MPAA mainstream market will censor sex scenes more than the BBFC will, with violence usually more acceptable to the MPAA than it is to the BBFC... that's really the only difference.

    That said, although the US has tighter censorship of TV and film, they also have legal hardcore porn, again, for those that want it.

    Whatever you may think, this country IS the most heavily censored and restricted country in the Western World which I find distinctly odd when at the same time our Government delights in telling us we're the best educated.
     
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    I agree with most of what you are saying Juboy apart from the bit about us being the 'most restricted country in the Western World'. There is much on tv in this country which simply couldn't be shown in america. I was reading the other day about the fury the american version of Queer as Folk casued in america - it was a much more watered down version than what was shown in this country, and yet it caused outrage amongst the viewing public in the US.
    I just watched Traffic last night, and once again it was a film that caused a furore in the US because of its graphic portrayal of drug use, and yet again it was just nothing compared to channel 4s original in this country.
    I lived in america for a while and know many americans and I know from experience that they are amazed by what we watch on tv over here - programs like Graham Norton for example, which just wouldnt be allowed on US television.
     
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    Lex: I agree with you completely regarding US Television. Let's face it, over there they think HBO's output is hugely radical.

    You are somewhat narrowing the arguement though. To be absolutely honest, I would rather see TV in this country 'toned down' if it meant we would stop having our intelligence insulted and be able to purchase what we chose on VHS or DVD.

    While I realise I am in a minority in that I believe all censorship is wrong*, I do feel that TV is more likely to be available to minors and may be more influential to their behaviour (if there is actually a link - it's yet to be conclusively proven remember). Therefore, as we seem to want to accept censorship in this country, I think free-to-air TV should be most carefully monitored.

    DVDs and VHS should be less regulated and censored as it's down to people making a decision to buy a certain item, and if you're not fully aware of what's likely to be seen/heard within it, then you can't really go crying to anyone after the fact.

    What I don't like about this country is that just about everything has to be dumbed down and made fit for 5 year olds...

    *(To strip my arguement to a very basic level: if someone, somewhere wants to watch the most objectionable piece of degrading filth known to man, we should be asking WHY there's a demand for it... not stopping the production of the supply by restriction, let's stop it by negating the initial requirement or live with the fact that, unpleasant or not, people sometimes DO want to wallow in the darker side of life!)
     
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    i got this film on dvd in a french name its crap and anyone can have it off me for a £10 +p+p
     
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    Pretty much gotta concur with Juboy. Although the US is pretty bad for censorship, especially on TV, at least film makers have the option of releasing a movie unrated.

    I've lived in the US, and considering the tradeoff, I'd prefer to live here. Personally, I can deal with having to import the occasional horror movie if it means that there's more freedom for television producers. Course, easy access to porno would be nice, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. :D
     
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    I have never understood why 18 cert films are censored. If they are intended only for adults then there should be no restriction (apart from the obvious snuff, rape, people being harmed etc).

    America introduced the NC17 certificate a few years back but unfortunately it is hardly used. Movie studios tend to believe that nobody wants to see an NC-17 rated film! :rolleyes:

    The BBFC basically just **** me off. They apply constant double standards and hypocrisy.
     
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    Azrikam: I've spent time in the States and one of the first things I did was visit the local (two-bit) video store and rent all the films my home country feels I'm not 'balanced' enough to watch.

    The States has it right in so many ways... produce everything and anything if there's a demand and let people indulge those demands if they have the means.

    As I've said before, anyone who is pro-censorship would be well advised to firgure out WHY people want to watch certain images in the first place, rather than trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted... condoning of beastiality not implied ;)

    Lex: you'll probably have to remove this post for me saying this, but:

    "The BBFC basically just **** me off. They apply constant double standards and hypocrisy."

    For 'BBFC' also read 'British Police Force'. It's all the same under a different name... and the people they're supposed to 'protect' are fed up with it.
     
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    "i got this film on dvd in a french name its crap and anyone can have it off me for a £10 +p+p"

    I guess you did you research before purchasing...
     
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    Having spent some time in the US over the last 20 years, I agree that UK TV is much better than US TV. But like Juboy I have no time for the BBFC, so prefer the way things are in the States.

    However, we are a European country, not North American, so why not compare ourselves with Europe, the G8 even. When you do this we do begin to look pathetic across the board when it comes to censorship and entertainment provision.
     
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    alan8477: I totally agree with your comments about the UK's censorship laws compared to other European and especially EU states.

    A lot of talk is made of standardisation across the EU yet we got stuck with our antiquated (literally) censorship laws whilst other countries realise that it's just not necessary.

    Anyone who's travelled across Europe (to say nothing of Scandanavian countries) will have seen hardcore porn freely available alongside horror films of all descriptions. I recall walking past a cinema in a quite upmarket area of Sorrento, Italy and being amazed they were clearly promoting and showing a film containing beastiality.

    Are the people of this country SO weak, uneducated and open to suggestion compared to our mainland cousins? Are they more mentally balanced than we are?

    And if censorship IS such a good thing and helps protect the moral fabric of our wonderful Isle, how come we have the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe, one of the worst rates of sex crimes, among the top of the violent crimes league and now have a crack cocaine problem that has intensified 200% in the past year?

    Let's not kid ourselves that we're somehow superior and that everything must be alright because we have the BBFC still beavering away to trim 3 or 4 seconds off films that were made 20 years ago.
     
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    it's not as though the bbfc make sensible decisions, i.e. the matrix-its ok to literaly shoot people to shreds but not to headbut them!
     
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    It's all about perception. If John and Mary Q. Public perceive that the BBFC are protecting them from accidentally buying/renting a film that might offend their sensibilities, then they're doing their job.

    When re-animator came back for reclassification, the BBFC waived all previous cuts, except one. (the "head" scene, for those interested) Personally, I find the scene funnier than it is titillating, or disgusting, but as long as the watchdogs are perceived to be holding back the flood of filth from across the pond, then everybody's happy. (everybody, that is, except the handful of people who would actually enjoy watching that filth :) )
     
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    "the BBFC are protecting them from accidentally buying/renting a film that might offend their sensibilities"

    LOL, that truth in that statement says an awful lot about the general viewing public in this country.

    I find it quite sad to be honest.

    Maybe it's time we now introduce a 'classification' (it's not censorship remember tax payers) system for people. That way it'd be easier to avoid arseholes in pubs and you'd also have a head start when out on the pull :D
     
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    I have a feeling that the BBFC's days are numbered due to cable, DVD importing as easy as a mouse click and the fact that cinemas now seem able to stand up to them. (Spiderman cock up). Nobody these days has to put up with cut versions any more, the problem is that so few people seem to realise that the films they watch are cut. People I work with are amazed when I inform them of the cuts to Matrix etc. This is usuallly followed by a request for a loan etc. (Which I have to refuse due to illegality of it, of course.)

    The thing I am most scared of is for disc importing to suddenly become a political issue, if FACT have their way, and hurried legislation making criminals of us all. The free for all disc import fun reminds me too much of the glorious pre-BBFC video days.
     
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    I couldn't agree more with Ignatious.

    I know that censorship is a bitch, but basicly theres a nice little loophole for us to bypass the BBFC at present.

    But, as I've said in the past, if we draw to much attention to "personal imports" the next thing we know, the Daily Mail is leading a witchhunt against these "purveyors of filth", Blair uses the issue to dodge more important matters, and legislation is rushed through to prevent our current workaround. Net result, no more region 1 discs without a personal visit to the USA.

    Don't know about you, but that impratical for me.

    As Sean Connery said. "Think it over".
     
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    I have to agree with everyones posts regarding the ludicrous situation with censorship in this country, (particularly headbutts of which you can see ten a penny in Buffy every week) But as for censorship across Europe believe you me it could be worse. If you check the IMDB for banned films per country be thankful you don't live in Finland which has a list as long as several peoples arms.
     
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    Xusia: you are totally right. I have also wondered when the 'witch hunt' will begin... all it takes is one misguided MP trying to make a name for themselves, as the lamentable Graham Bright (Cons) did in 1984.

    2004 will see the 20 year anniversary of one of the most insidious (and pointless) pieces of UK legislation - Video Recordings Act - and I'm sure someone, somewhere will be looking to exploit the potential for self-promotion, no doubt aided and abetted by the stunningly predictable Daily Mail.

    I would dearly like to believe that in this day and age people aren't so easily duped and whipped into frenzies of indignation about such comparatively irrelevant 'problems' of film content... but somehow I doubt that's the case.

    BTW, if anyone ever derides 'video nasties' as influencing the susceptible in society, I tend to point them to the police report regarding the home environment and viewing habits of a certain Fred West... which states he had a dislike of 'adult' films and an abnormally large collection of Disney films on VHS...
     
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    All things considered, it could be a lot worse.

    I realize a lot of people are clueless about what they are buying. (I, myself have been guilty of impulse-buying DVDs on occasion) But, I think with the rise of the Internet, people are gradually becoming more informed about their purchases. Five years ago, I would have bought a video if I liked the movie, and if the price was right. Now, I can compare video quality, sound quality, bonus extras (or the lack thereof), and censorship cuts before I even look for a movie. I think this will hit distributors where it counts in the long run (as people will be informed enough to import the "real" version from somewhere else), and force them to fight back against the BBFC.

    But like Xusia said, it's a pretty decent situation at present. People aren't using the lax import standards to ship in massive crates of child pornography. I think it's collectors who are picking up the occasional film that either A) Isn't available in their home country or B) Is only available in a substandard format.

    Sure, it could get better, but it could also get a lot worse, so enjoy it while you can. :)
     
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    And which country has one of the highest (if not the highest) suicide rates in the developed world?
     
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    "be thankful you don't live in Finland"

    Such a shame that the same lack of light that is SO ideal for the home cinema environment leads to so many suicides :)
     
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    As a post script, I'd refer all to thie link below from the melon farmers website.

    It is a article specifically about the recent censorship of "The Last House On The Left" by Mark Kermode.

    http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/bwkerm.htm

    I think it sums up all that has been said (and more) very well.
     
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    "I think it sums up all that has been said (and more) very well."

    Agreed, although really all Mark Kermode has done (from a position of excepted 'expertise') has said what we all really think and feel with a few easily researched timelines/facts thrown in.

    Don't get me wrong, I think M K has done more for the advancement of film in Britain than just about anyone, but he's still just being paid a lot of money and given a lot of time to put in to words what most of us are already saying in pubs, clubs, cinemas and living rooms up and down the country.

    I like the guy, I like his taste in films, I respect his honesty and open minded approach but as even he concedes, unfortunately, it counts for nothing more than the stuff we write on boards like this.

    This country will never condone or accept freedom of thought or speech as long as we're still an island with a siege mentality... and that will be for a looooooooooooooog time yet.

    That's mainly because we have a two tier version of a dictatorship, which is actually WORSE than having one choice because the minute the ruling party suggests anything more than the barely left of centre, the opposition shoots them down and claims the World will cave in around our heads should we accept the suggestion.

    See the refusal to change or amend our current drug laws (all of which fly completely in the face of the GOVERNMENT APPOINTED 'experts' commissioned to advise them) for proof of point.

    I'm not angry, not upset, not bothered (half the fun of getting hold of 'banned' stuff is the chase) just wryly disappointed, that's all :(
     

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