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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by penacP, Jan 23, 2002.

  1. penacP

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    Hi everybody :)

    Who knows the Kimber 8TC cables ? I would like to buy some for my home cinema... 3 8TC for front center and right, plus 4VS for the surrounds...

    What do tou think about ? Is it good ? Is the 4VS good enough so that I don't notice a big difference betwwen the front and surround speakers ? :rolleyes:

    Thanks

    Penac :clown:
     
  2. Nic Rhodes

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    These Kimbers are VERY good performers without spending silly money. They have 'technical' advatages over most other cables. Use 8TC for L, R and C. The surround could get away with 'lesser' quality, 4TC (or 4VS / 8VS). They are different colours if that makes any difference. TC Blue, VC grey.
     
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    Thank you Nic :)

    Actually I am using Monstercable (new monstercable) for each of my speakers... Do you know this cable too ?

    Compared to this Monstercable, how could you define the 8TC and 4VS ?

    Excuse this question, because I cannot listen to these Kimber cables so I have to ask to very good specialists to see if I can go with :)

    Thanks

    Penac :clown:
     
  4. Nic Rhodes

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    Penac

    I used to use moster cable many moons ago though I doubt it is the same cable (lots of very fine copper wire in clear insulation). The Kimber blows it out of the water. NO contest.

    KIMBER is very highly though of, and these copper versions are GOOD honest cable, no frills and highly reviewed.
     
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    Aaaah Thank you dear Nic :)

    Well I will send an eMail to Russ Andrews in UK so that I purchase :

    3 X 8TC
    2 X 4 VS

    I think it will be good as you are explaining to me :)

    Penac :clown:
     
  6. Jase

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    Nic

    Have you done a direct comparison between the Kimber cables & Chords Rumour?

    If so, what differences did you find?

    Just wondered as I´m about to change from Chords Carnival to their Rumour.

    Cheers
     
  7. Nic Rhodes

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    Well I have three Chord LS cables at home. One is a flat one. The other two I can’t remember the names of but retail at £10/m and 17/m. I have run a few test today with Tag amplification, Kef Ref speakers in comparison with the Kimber cables The Chords seem competent enough and are certainly no duffers by any means . They have a bright clear sound. However I can’t honest say the offer much over say the excellent QED Silver Anniversary cable at £5/m (only a small bit). The next stage up was a Kimber 4TC which just about betters all the above with 8TC a substantial jump IMHO. For most situations QED Silver Ann. is a good cable, to better this I would recommend the two TC Kimbers and finally VDH The Wind but this is getting really expensive. The Chords aren’t bad but I struggle to see what they offer over good honest QED for the money. The Kimber’s do offer something both technically (RFI reduction etc) and sound better. This may have something to do with excellence of the plugs and soldering that Russ Andrews uses (although Chord are pretty good in this area as well).

    You will not wrong with any of these cables. They are the pick of the crop IMHO. Don't loose too much sleep over it all:D
     
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    Thanks Nic

    I´ve been looking at the Russ Andrews catalogue that dropped through the post recently, to be honest I wasnt overly convinced by their whole concept, power cables, RFI etc etc

    I suppose I shouldnt judge until I´ve heard them!

    Thanks for the comparison information. Its much appreciated.

    cheers
    :)
     
  9. Nic Rhodes

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    Russ Andrews stuff can be a bit tweaky for some out there but within his range are some products of pure genius.

    His mains cables are second to none. Even the basic £25 yellow power chord (couln't resist!) is a great performer. Cheap projectors!

    The basic KIMBER ranges are very good both technically and sonically. VS / TC speaker cables. PBJ interconnects.

    I am afraid Russ looses me a bit with the silly money esoteric stuff but that probably is more down the price / my lack of experience with it (none!) than anything wrong with the kit. Although I have many 'silver' cables I still think there is little to touch GOOD HONEST COPPER (from any make, substitute VDH, QED, IXOS, LINN, TAG in here, all do great cables at not silly money).

    If you have RFI / mains issues the KIMBER stuff can be a god send.

    If you don't like it just return it. Can't say fairer than that. The kit is superbly made and packaged.
     
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    Do the power cables make that much difference then?

    I was thinking on the basis that a few ft of improved cable wouldnt be any benefit when the cable before it wasnt to the same standard. i.e mains wiring etc

    I suppose for 30 quid its worth ago! As you say, I can always send it back if its not to my liking.
     
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    Yes they do but...

    With most kit there performance is substantial but Tag equipment seems to be better designed than most so the performance gains are much less than with other kit. Try and see....The longer the better! I use 3m ones, as well as sounding good they make moving of components around very easy.
     
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    I use 8TC/4TC in a bi wire configuration. I personally find 8TC to sound a bit "heavy" by itself, lacking in air and souding somewhat muted. You should also consider Goetz cables. The finest bass known to man-possibly perfect for AV use.

    I use the Kimber Mains Cables throughout the system and can honestly say that these made more difference to my system than any interconnect or speaker cable. They allow you to hear right through the recording.The more you use the better it gets-just make sure you run Kimber all the way to the wall socket.

    I suspect that the effects of the cables are not quite as noticable with less than transparent electronics( like the Tags mentioned) but if you don't give them a go you could be missing out on a great upgrade.
     
  13. Nic Rhodes

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    Quite the opposite IMHO. The Tag is supremely transparent, however they have designed their power supplies to supress RFI etc just like the Kimber cables do. I still use the Kimbers with the Tag but it is more 'insurance'. The difference is quite marked in places especially funny things like projectors and computers.
     
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    Nic,
    Which power cables are you using for your equipment? Surely not the yellow cables?
    I have the Hi current watt gate on my ext block and was thinking about buying one for my power amp.
    How does the 8TC compare to say VDH CS122 ?
    BTW thanks for your help in narrowing down a list of power amps to go with AV32R.
    Still waiting for my Bryston, feel like a kid waiting for xmas!
    The TV saga goes on though! Loewe Aconda 32" or Panny 36PL30 ? Hmmmmmmm ?
     
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    I have a PANASONIC TX36PF10 and it's fantastic...

    I would go with the Panny 36PL30 :)

    Penac :clown:
     
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    Great amp, you will love it with the AV32R.

    Much of the kit is connected with just long yellows, with some long high current on more key positions. I have one with the 350 plug and I must say it is better but £100 for a euro plug! Silly RA stuff but again it works.

    I look it like this the yellow has a similar number of strands in the weave to standard power cord so it will have similar RFI rejection. the standard power cord just adds better copper (if this is relevant). The high current has better RFI rejection but also lower R, hence low frequnecy could be inproved futher. So I have a mixture of yellow and high current. The yellow works VERY well. £25 it is a bargain IMHO. If it doesn't work for you, just return it.

    I afraid I have never heard the VDH CS122 but I do use the VDH The Wind regularly. This is a VERY expensive cable (that I picked up a shop closed down for a steal), so I can't comment on the CS122.


    Good luck with the tv, no one ever agrees on tvs here!
     
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    Nic,
    I take it you use the hi current cables on the 5x100R & DVD32r ?
     
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    CD transport and DAC as well.
     
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    Nic, have you heard the Meridian 568. Many of us former TAG owners thought it to be transparent until we compared it with this little baby. The strange thing with mains cables is that they can transform the performance of some hi end gear with very sophisticated power supplies.

    I have Kimber Hi Power cords on all sources but they had little effect on the lower end items in my system. Can you explain why? Have you tried any other esoteric mains cables?
     
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    I have heard the 568 on several occasions. Meridian sent one up for a 1:1 demo with the Tag when I bought my processor originally. Personally I prefered the Tag, hence that was what I bought, but there isn't that much in it. I wrote it all up and posted it on the Tag web site under something like My experiences buying...With the Tag DVD then I think it is more transparent but each to their own. Both top flight kit.

    I rated the Tag, Meridian and Lexicon as the primary processors but also liked the Linn and Theta. I was actually given some very poor info from Meridian which also helped to steer me away. Looking back on it, it was quite foolish of them, they lost loads in sales. I have since heard most of these processors again and I would not change my decision.

    Re predicting what these cables will effect is beyond me unfortunately. I thinks this is why RA has an excellent returns policy. I am afraid for anyone interested it is suck it and see.

    Don't under estimate the yellow cable. It can be really good. I remember when Russ launched it (at Ramada?) he was demo'ing it with a geto blaster and the difference was obvious!
     
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    I´ve just ordered one of Russ Andrews Reference power cords for my Denon and a couple of their Yello power cords for cd, dvd etc

    I´ll post my thoughts when they arrive and have been used for a while.

    cheers
     
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    audusa do a power cable for £48
    which got a good write up in hifi choice for what its worth
    i have noticed a difference with cd less edgy
    and on amp
    www.audusa.com
     
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    Jase,
    whats your verdict on the power cords?
     
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    Never got them!

    Bit of hoofup really, I had a mate in the UK who was going to bring them back for me, but couldnt get a firm delivery date for them, so he never placed the order (when I thought he had !!)

    Spent the money on something else now!! So I´ll probably get them in the future.
     
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    Hmmmmmm....
    Now I looked at all this malarky b4 and prefered the approach at www.tnt-audio.com
    A lot of value for money indeed.
    For the money, RA goes downhill after the yello range on the power cord side. If u can do DIY, then it's a better option IMHO.
    As for high quality interconnects, and considering the past thread with Mr. Robinson, another worthy of mention is Nordost.

    To be honest, I went off RA when I realised that they were overpriced (power side of things) and looked elswhere. good glossy catalogue though.:) I even had one of their vcr tapes promoting High fidelity sent to me. Oh what fun.

    Penac, if you lived in the UK, I'd say go see my local HiFi dealer at www.signals.demon.co.uk
    Has good quality stuff, very fair and you could judge for yourself.

    As for right now though, I'm far too drunk to get anymore involved than this.:D
     
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    Have to agree with Reiner...TNT is an interesting DIY come tweaking site.I've used the IEC earth choke on my 15yr old CD player and it sounds much better (probably an upgrade in CD player)so fitted one to my cheap DVD player. Its harder to tell if there was much difference as your brain is bombarded from 5 sprs not 2 . Used the Cat 5 cable for my centre and their was an improvement . I've never believed cables make a difference but I love being proved wrong especially when it costs a lot less than paying a company oodles of money for small gains. I've been trying to obtain shielded mains cable to use throughout my system but the only place I have found is RS but you can only buy in 50mt/100mt drums and as stated in previous posts and on the TNT site this makes the biggest difference, so I'm doing more investigating.If I can't find any I may buy the Yellow, £25 a shot, that hurts. I remember another post saying it was the most significant upgrade he made, obviously dependant on price. DIY speaker cable also makes interesting reading.

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    General Skanky :
    Unfortunately, I am in France, not in UK... But I will go to the site you showed me and if there is a way to get something from them, I would like to try... :)

    Thank you General :)

    penac:clown:
     
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    General Skanky,
    have you tried Signals power cord? If so how does it compare to RA stuff?
     
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    I also rate the TNT but like philmate had difficulty is getting the required screened cable (RS on whole drums). However most people here don't want the hassle of making up the TNT cable, which takes several hours. The yellow isn't expensive and works well.
     
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    Nick,
    I was going for the 'Merlino' cable and he says to only use the braid to earth at the plug end, is this how Russ puts the Yellow together? . Have contacted Raydex who supply the cable (screened mains) to RS, awaiting a reply, hopefully. Once I have the cables, either Merlino or the Yellow I was going to terminate them within a Micromark multi way plug (takes 4 cables) and maybe use one of Russ's silencers in the twin wall socket. Will also use a cable on my sub aswell. Any comments would be gratefully received.

    Philmate.
     

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