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Kick Off v Sensible Soccer

Discussion in 'PC Gaming & Rigs' started by Erpland, Jan 15, 2004.

  1. Erpland

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    Does anyone remember Stuart Campbell?
    He worked for Amiga Power Magazine as well as Sensible Software, and used to do stuff for Teletext (Digitizer).

    Well he's found a lad who's written his own version of a Kick Off/Sensible Soccer type footy game, and posted on his forum asking him to stop "ripping off" his work.
    Have a read :laugh:

    http://forum.championshipsoccer.net/viewtopic.php?t=208

    The way he has handled himself has not gone down to well with gamers in general, as you can see here (my initial source):

    http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?t=13678

    And now its ended up in a full on war of words with Dino Dini (creator of Kick Off).
    Considering that Amiga Power magazine, its review of Kick Off, and the release of Sensi were rather late on the Amiga scene (1991), (Amiga=1987, Kick Off=1989), I have to say I take Dino's viewpoint.
    I think Andreas and Dino have handled themselves very well considering the pointless onslaught from Campbell.
     
  2. Willy

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    I've been tracking that thread for about a week now & it's absolutely hilarious. Whether you agree with Stu or not, you can't say he's not entertaining. His rants are legendary.
     
  3. Mr_Belowski

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    Blimey that's all a bit embarrasing for Mr Campbell isn't it?

    Interesting tho, cos I remember at the time I just didn't understand why Sensi was so highly regarded. To me it just seemed like a watered down version of KickOff 2 with all the fun bits removed. It's nice to get a bit of historical context.

    Personally, I thought Kick Off 2 was one of the most fun games ever - I've never been a 'retro' gamer but Kick Off is one of the only old games that I really miss. Me and my twin brother must have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours playing it :)

    Nice to see Dino Dini is still in the industry and conducting himself in a reasonable manner
     
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    HhAHAHAAHHA

    What an idiot that Mr Campbell is!
     
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    I always found Sensi to be superior. After I got it, I never played Kick Off 2 again - although I did play Player Manager quite a bit.

    Kick Off 2 was too fast, and too uncontrolled. Plus you couldn't see enough of the screen to have any real tactics.

    All IMHO anyway.

    Player Manager was ace though! If you could get THAT engine with CM4 I'd be well impressed! :smashin:
     
  6. Ed Selley

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    He's not Nathan Silly is he :confused:
    I'm also suprised he hasn't arrived here yet- there's four whole posts, one of which suggests he's a knob. I wait with baited breath.
     
  7. Sinzer

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    Hehe, he would be banned instantly :p
     
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    Kick Off, Kick Off II and Goal were all better than any versions of Sensi IMO
     
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    Loved the feeling when you curled the ball into the top right hand corner of the goal in sensible. Never really got on with kick off but had many a drunken session with mates till the early hours with sensible :)
     
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    Sensi soccer was in its time sublime gameplay at its highest, and that gameplay still holds up today and is frequently quoted as being such.

    i wish they would bring it out on GBA SP
     
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    It's like blonde or brunette, Connery or Moore - there's no right answer!

    Personally I adored Kick Off and II, but as with many KO fans, despite loving KO and the genre, I always hated Sensi - just never appealed.

    Still more fun than even FIFA '04 IMO :)
     
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    I think most reasonable people would agree in the KO vs Sensi debate.... Whichever one you prefer, Stuart Campbell is still an odious, rude and obnoxious little man.
     
  13. Spacecat

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    little man just how tall is he??
     
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    He may be physically tall or short.

    But in the way he has acted on the forums I've seen, he is a small man indeed - small minded and just plain rude.

    I'm just waiting for him to appear here actually, as he seems to have made a habit of popping up on forums to "defend" himself. I say "defend", because all it really amounts to is vitriol and abuse.

    I can almost predict his response. "You are the cretin who is being rude". :zonked:
     
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    Exactly - battle of wits...unarmed man...etc.

    Just gives me a reason why I hated Sensi (if I needed one) :)
     
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    This is brilliant!

    Myself I have to confess I was brought up on the bread and butter that was kick-off!
     
  17. chipper

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    Kick Off II - what an absolute Legendry game and to those who said it was uncontrollable, well it was for about your first 1000 hours of play.
    Then you slowly started to get the hang of it and when you were approaching maybe 10,000 hours of play you could even start to dribble with it.
    Without doubt my favourite game of all time.
     
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    I loved the Kick off and player manager games they were absolute gems! Kick off took a lot of skill to play but once you'd grasped it it just got better and better! SS was a good playable game but it was far more arcadey and didn't require the same skill levels to play. I liken them to the top down versions of Pro Evo and FIFA in a way with Kick Off being the pro evo game and SS being the FIFA game. One (pro evo/Kick Off)is more for the hardcore gamer who is willing to put in the time to really learn a game and develop his/her skill. The other (SS/FIFA) is more for the casual gamer who just wants to pick up and play!

    Give me KICK OFF 2 any day!!
     
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    For all Kick Off fans may I point you in the direction of the Kick Off Gathering!

    www.ko-gathering.com

    Offline tournaments occur all over Europe and no wonder, after hosting one myself last Friday I can concur that nothing is as good as playing Kick Off 2 with retro gamers whilst chomping away on some Pizza. :)
     
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    Wow, This is an old thread! I remember it though and my views are still the same. SS is a great game, but KO2 was my fave of the two. :)
     
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    OMG blast from the past! I too was brought up on KO and thought it was sublime. I did have SS and I liked it but for me there was nothing like KO2.
     
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    Anyone else remember an early demo of SS that came on an Amiga mag cover disc; the ball was replaced with a hand grenade.

    Fantastic game, ball/grenade would just explode at random :D

    that demo is still one of my favourite games ever.

    Sadly SS revival attempts on both the PS1 and recently on the PC never done the franchise justice.
     
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    Oh yes, there was also a mag based demo version based on the moon, with craters on the pitch and moon like ball physics.

    For all you nostalgia freaks here's a couple of remakes i posted a while back if anyone missed em first time around.

    Sensible soccer remake Here

    Kick off 2 remake Here

    Don't blame me if you have trouble getting through the menu's on yoda though :D
     
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    Yeh i remember having many a long session on KO2 with my best mate at school and had some legendary matches with my trusty zip stick!

    I remember when he got hold of sensi we couldnt initially get into it as we found it far too slow compared to KO2 but after a while we soon got used to it and it became the new fav!

    I still play both these games to this day via WinUAE altho it takes a while getting used to using a pad, as opposed to a joystick!
     
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    True, but the 360 Live Arcade version is absolutely fantastic mate! :hiya:
     

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